From grobe@netins.net Mon Sep 11 18:49:57 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: grobe@netins.net (Jonathan Grobe) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.planning.urban,misc.transport.rail.misc,misc.transport.trucking,misc.transport.urban-transit,sci.engr.civil,uk.transport Subject: RFD: misc.transport.misc Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Sep 1995 22:49:50 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 65 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <432eee$t6q@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.misc Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7479 news.groups:167244 alt.planning.urban:5939 misc.transport.rail.misc:1610 misc.transport.trucking:1531 misc.transport.urban-transit:27793 sci.engr.civil:11149 uk.transport:23002 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group misc.transport.misc Proponent: Jonathan Grobe This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the creation of a new unmoderated usenet newsgroup, misc.transport.misc Newsgroups line: misc.transport.misc Transportation issues. Follow-ups are directed to news.groups - please honor. RATIONALE: While there are groups available for air, rail, trucking, and urban transit transportation modes there is not a general transportation group available nor a group for other modes such as maritime, inland waterways and highways (other than trucking). CHARTER: misc.transport.misc misc.transport.misc is for the discussion of general aspects of transportation as well as specific modes not covered by specific groups (such as maritime, inland waterways, highway (other than trucking) and pipelines). END CHARTER. PROCEDURE. Posting of this RFD initiates a discussion period of at least 21 days. Please post discussion to news.groups, which is a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of new newsgroups, and anyone interested is encouraged to participate. Again please post comments to news.groups, and not mail them to me. Also note that under the Usenet guidelines: The discussion will be followed by a CFV (Call for Votes), assuming there is reasonable support for the proposal. The vote will be run by a neutral third party, the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). To pass there must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least two thirds of the votes must be YES. This message is *not* a Call For Votes (CFV) - do not try to vote: before the CFV is posted, or by posting anything anywhere, or by sending e-mail to anyone but the votetaker. The voting procedure will be clearly described in the CFV when the time to vote arrives. Now is NOT the time to vote. DISTRIBUTION: The complete official messages - RFD, CFV and vote results - will be posted to these newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.planning.urban, misc.transport.air-industry, misc.transport.rail.misc, misc.transport.trucking, misc.transport.urban-transit, sci.engr.civil, uk.transport Please feel free to repost the RFD (in full, and not edited please) to relevant mailing lists and other relevant newsgroups. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Grobe grobe@netins.net From grobe@netins.net Fri Oct 20 18:01:42 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: grobe@netins.net (Jonathan Grobe) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.planning.urban,misc.transport.air-industry,misc.transport.rail.misc,misc.transport.trucking,misc.transport.urban-transit,sci.engr.civil,uk.transport Subject: 2nd RFD: misc.transport.{marine,misc,road} Followup-To: news.groups Date: 20 Oct 1995 22:01:35 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 172 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <46967v$e7u@rodan.UU.NET> Reply-To: grobe@netins.net NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.misc Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7722 news.groups:170899 alt.planning.urban:7064 misc.transport.air-industry:3782 misc.transport.rail.misc:1983 misc.transport.trucking:2155 misc.transport.urban-transit:31037 sci.engr.civil:12370 uk.transport:25293 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group misc.transport.marine unmoderated group misc.transport.misc unmoderated group misc.transport.road Proponent: Jonathan Grobe CHANGES from previous RFD: Groups for transportation by water (misc.transport.marine) and roads (misc.transport.road) have been added. END CHANGES. This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the creation of new unmoderated usenet newsgroups misc.transport.marine, misc.transport.misc and misc.transport.road Newsgroups line: misc.transport.marine Inland waterway and maritime transportation misc.transport.misc General transportation issues misc.transport.road Road transportation except trucking, urban transit Follow-ups are directed to news.groups - please honor. RATIONALE: all groups While there are groups available for air, rail, trucking, and urban transit transportation modes there is not: a. A roads/highways transportation group (other than trucking and urban transit). b. A transportation by water group (including both maritime and inland waterways). c. A general transportation group, for discussions of the dozens of smaller transport topics which don't individually require separate newsgroups, but which do need a home (such as pipelines). Hence the need for misc.transport.misc in addition to the other two. Thus I am proposing misc.transport.road, misc.transport.marine, and misc.transport.misc. Concerning the names of the groups: misc.transport.marine: While "marine" traditionally refers to the oceans/seas rather than inland or coastal waters, current use of the word, especially in industry, refers to anything on, in, under or near the water, regardless of what water. The "marine industry" deals with shipping, contruction, maintainance, services, etc. related to all activities involving the water. misc.transport.misc: This is the standard name for a miscellaneous/general Usenet newsgroup. misc.transport.road: Road is a more general term than highway and is better recognized internationally. [An additional reason for the use "road" and "marine" instead of some of the reasonable alternatives suggested is that they are fewer characters long and thus quicker to type.] CHARTER: misc.transport.marine misc.transport.marine is for the open discussion of all issues relating to marine transportation of all time periods. This includes essentially all shipment via vessels of any sort. The discussion will include, but is in no way limited to, history, operations, customs and traditions, technology, equipment, political, economic and social issues relating to inland waterways transportation, maritime transportation, merchant/commercial shipping and the marine industry. This list is not meant to be all inclusive (it would include such topics as decline of the us merchant fleet, cruise ship safety, ocean liners, clipper ships, etc). Discussions relating to navies and warships should go to sci.military.naval. Inquiries about cruise ship schedules, etc. should be directed to the appropriate rec.traval groups. Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: *individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. *announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. CHARTER: misc.transport.misc misc.transport.misc is for the discussion of general aspects of transportation as well as specific modes not covered by specific groups (such as pipelines). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: *individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. *announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. CHARTER: misc.transport.road For discussion of all aspects of road/highway transportation and design not included in other groups (such as misc.transport.trucking and misc.transport.urban-transit). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: *individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. *announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: Since there already has been a month of discussion of the first RFD, the discussion period for the second RFD will be a week or so (unless significant discussion develops). Please post discussion to news.groups, which is a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of new newsgroups, and anyone interested is encouraged to participate. Again please post comments to news.groups, and not mail them to me. Better language for the charters of the groups would be particularly welcome. Also note that under the Usenet guidelines: The discussion will be followed by a CFV (Call for Votes), assuming there is reasonable support for the proposal. The vote will be run by a neutral third party, the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). To pass there must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least two thirds of the votes must be YES. This message is *not* a Call For Votes (CFV) - do not try to vote: before the CFV is posted, or by posting anything anywhere, or by sending e-mail to anyone but the votetaker. The voting procedure will be clearly described in the CFV when the time to vote arrives. Now is NOT the time to vote. DISTRIBUTION: The complete official messages - RFD, CFV and vote results - will be posted to these newsgroups (note that other groups have been excluded from this list because of the 200 character limit on length of newsgroup line for certain news software): news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.planning.urban, misc.transport.air-industry, misc.transport.rail.misc, misc.transport.trucking, misc.transport.urban-transit, sci.engr.civil, uk.transport Please feel free to repost the RFD (in full, and not edited please) to relevant mailing lists and other relevant newsgroups. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Grobe grobe@netins.net From votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu Thu Nov 2 18:13:07 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Kenneth Herron Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.planning.urban,misc.transport.air-industry,misc.transport.rail.misc,misc.transport.trucking,misc.transport.urban-transit,sci.engr.civil,uk.transport Subject: CFV: misc.transport.{misc,marine,road} Followup-To: poster Date: 2 Nov 1995 23:12:59 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 207 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 24 Nov 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <12441.20187.290308@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.misc Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7811 news.groups:172419 alt.planning.urban:7980 misc.transport.air-industry:4038 misc.transport.rail.misc:2044 misc.transport.trucking:2326 misc.transport.urban-transit:32114 sci.engr.civil:12744 uk.transport:26440 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group misc.transport.misc unmoderated group misc.transport.marine unmoderated group misc.transport.road Newsgroups lines: misc.transport.marine Maritime and inland waterways transportation. misc.transport.misc General transportation issues. misc.transport.road Road transportation, urban transit. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Nov 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Questions about the voting process, including requests for a copy of this call for votes, should be directed to the votetaker. Proponent: Jonathan Grobe Votetaker: Kenneth Herron RATIONALE: misc.transport.misc A general/miscellaneous transportation group is needed for discussions of the dozens of smaller transport topics which don't individually require separate newsgroups, but which do need a home (such as pipelines) as well as general transportation topics relevant to several misc.transport.* groups. CHARTER: misc.transport.misc misc.transport.misc is for the discussion of general aspects of transportation as well as specific modes not covered by specific groups (such as pipelines). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: misc.transport.marine Currently, there is no place for the discussion of merchant/commercial shipping, despite a good deal of interest in the subjects. Such discussions are generally contained in newsgroups that are not really appropriate for the subject (sci.military.naval and soc.history.war.misc, for example). These discussions are also conducted on various mailing lists, which suffer from limited readership and limited accessibility. CHARTER: misc.transport.marine misc.transport.marine is for the open discussion of all issues relating to marine transportation of all time periods. This includes essentially all shipment via vessels of any sort. The discussion will include, but is in no way limited to, history, operations, customs and traditions, technology, equipment, political, economic and social issues relating to inland waterways transportation, maritime transportation, merchant/commercial shipping and the marine industry. This list is not meant to be all inclusive (it would also include such topics as decline of the US merchant fleet, cruise ship safety, ocean liners, clipper ships, etc). Discussions relating to navies and warships should go to sci.military.naval. Inquiries about cruise ship schedules, etc. should be directed to the appropriate rec.travel groups. Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: misc.transport.road Road/highway transportation is a very important transportation mode and there is significant interest in discussing it. Because there is no group for road-related discussions these discussions are currently conducted in other groups, particularly in misc.transport.urban-transit or other misc.transport.* groups. They are outside the charters of those groups and add large amounts of irrelevant traffic to those groups. Additionally, misc.transport.urban-transit is gatewayed to a mailing list, and mailing list subscribers find off-topic discussion particularly irritating--since each post is a separate mail message. CHARTER: misc.transport.road misc.transport.road is for discussion of all aspects of road/highway transportation and design not included in other groups (such as misc.transport.trucking and misc.transport.urban-transit). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Then send via e-mail to: voting@f10.facts.uky.edu -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines -=-=-=-=-=- misc.transport.{misc,marine,road} Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Voter Name: [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------- [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ ] CREATE misc.transport.misc [ ] CREATE misc.transport.marine [ ] CREATE misc.transport.road -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines -=-=-=-=-=- VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: This call for votes is being posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.planning.urban misc.transport.air-industry misc.transport.rail.misc misc.transport.trucking misc.transport.urban-transit sci.engr.civil uk.transport This call for votes is also being sent to these mailing lists: DOT (Departments of Transportation) dot@vm1.nodak.edu Ships ships@access.digex.net transp-l (Transportaton) transp-l@gmu.edu marine-tech marine-tech@mailbase.ac.uk From votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu Wed Nov 15 13:06:02 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Kenneth Herron Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.planning.urban,misc.transport.air-industry,misc.transport.rail.misc,misc.transport.trucking,misc.transport.urban-transit,sci.engr.civil,uk.transport Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.transport.{misc,marine,road} Supersedes: <12441.20187.290308@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 15 Nov 1995 18:05:55 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 204 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 24 Nov 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <816458751.13904@uunet.uu.net> References: <12441.20187.290308@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.misc Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7882 news.groups:174203 alt.planning.urban:8846 misc.transport.air-industry:4322 misc.transport.rail.misc:2182 misc.transport.trucking:2528 misc.transport.urban-transit:33290 sci.engr.civil:13133 uk.transport:27722 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group misc.transport.misc unmoderated group misc.transport.marine unmoderated group misc.transport.road Newsgroups lines: misc.transport.marine Maritime and inland waterways transportation. misc.transport.misc General transportation issues. misc.transport.road Road and highway transportation. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Nov 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Questions about the voting process, including requests for a copy of this call for votes, should be directed to the votetaker. Proponent: Jonathan Grobe Votetaker: Kenneth Herron RATIONALE: misc.transport.misc A general/miscellaneous transportation group is needed for discussions of the dozens of smaller transport topics which don't individually require separate newsgroups, but which do need a home (such as pipelines) as well as general transportation topics relevant to several misc.transport.* groups. CHARTER: misc.transport.misc misc.transport.misc is for the discussion of general aspects of transportation as well as specific modes not covered by specific groups (such as pipelines). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: misc.transport.marine Currently, there is no place for the discussion of merchant/commercial shipping, despite a good deal of interest in the subjects. Such discussions are generally contained in newsgroups that are not really appropriate for the subject (sci.military.naval and soc.history.war.misc, for example). These discussions are also conducted on various mailing lists, which suffer from limited readership and limited accessibility. CHARTER: misc.transport.marine misc.transport.marine is for the open discussion of all issues relating to marine transportation of all time periods. This includes essentially all shipment via vessels of any sort. The discussion will include, but is in no way limited to, history, operations, customs and traditions, technology, equipment, political, economic and social issues relating to inland waterways transportation, maritime transportation, merchant/commercial shipping and the marine industry. This list is not meant to be all inclusive (it would also include such topics as decline of the US merchant fleet, cruise ship safety, ocean liners, clipper ships, etc). Discussions relating to navies and warships should go to sci.military.naval. Inquiries about cruise ship schedules, etc. should be directed to the appropriate rec.travel groups. Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: misc.transport.road Road/highway transportation is a very important transportation mode and there is significant interest in discussing it. Because there is no group for road-related discussions these discussions are currently conducted in other groups, particularly in misc.transport.urban-transit or other misc.transport.* groups. They are outside the charters of those groups and add large amounts of irrelevant traffic to those groups. Additionally, misc.transport.urban-transit is gatewayed to a mailing list, and mailing list subscribers find off-topic discussion particularly irritating--since each post is a separate mail message. CHARTER: misc.transport.road misc.transport.road is for discussion of all aspects of road/highway transportation and design not included in other groups (such as misc.transport.trucking and misc.transport.urban-transit). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Then send via e-mail to: voting@f10.facts.uky.edu -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines -=-=-=-=-=- misc.transport.{misc,marine,road} Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Voter Name: [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------- [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ ] CREATE misc.transport.misc [ ] CREATE misc.transport.marine [ ] CREATE misc.transport.road -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines -=-=-=-=-=- VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. misc.transport.{misc,marine,road} Acknowledgement Bounce List No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3637@compuserve.com L.H. Boyd brett@utexas.edu Brett Leach rhall@campus.mci.net Richard Hall Invalid ballots ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- rdouglas@nova.umuc.edu Robert D. Douglass ! No vote statement in message DISTRIBUTION: This call for votes is being posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.planning.urban misc.transport.air-industry misc.transport.rail.misc misc.transport.trucking misc.transport.urban-transit sci.engr.civil uk.transport From votetaker@f10.facts.uky.edu Mon Nov 27 09:21:18 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Kenneth Herron Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.planning.urban,misc.transport.air-industry,misc.transport.rail.misc,misc.transport.trucking,misc.transport.urban-transit,sci.engr.civil,uk.transport Subject: RESULT: misc.transport.{misc,marine,road} all groups pass Supersedes: <816458751.13904@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 27 Nov 1995 09:21:11 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 354 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <817482066.14960@uunet.uu.net> References: <12441.20187.290308@uunet.uu.net> <816458751.13904@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.misc Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7938 news.groups:176282 alt.planning.urban:9802 misc.transport.air-industry:4468 misc.transport.rail.misc:2230 misc.transport.trucking:2700 misc.transport.urban-transit:34302 sci.engr.civil:13346 uk.transport:28634 RESULT unmoderated group misc.transport.misc passes 168:25 unmoderated group misc.transport.marine passes 165:22 unmoderated group misc.transport.road passes 162:26 misc.transport.{misc,marine,road} results - 227 valid votes Yes No | 2/3 >100 | Pass | Group ---- ---- | --- ---- | ---- | ------------------------------------------- 168 25 | Yes Yes | Yes | misc.transport.misc 165 22 | Yes Yes | Yes | misc.transport.marine 162 26 | Yes Yes | Yes | misc.transport.road 3 invalid ballots A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the groups shortly thereafter. Newsgroups lines: misc.transport.marine Maritime and inland waterways transportation. misc.transport.misc General transportation issues. misc.transport.road Road and highway transportation. Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Nov 1995. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Questions about the voting process, including requests for a copy of this call for votes, should be directed to the votetaker. Proponent: Jonathan Grobe Votetaker: Kenneth Herron CHARTER: misc.transport.misc misc.transport.misc is for the discussion of general aspects of transportation as well as specific modes not covered by specific groups (such as pipelines). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. END CHARTER. CHARTER: misc.transport.marine misc.transport.marine is for the open discussion of all issues relating to marine transportation of all time periods. This includes essentially all shipment via vessels of any sort. The discussion will include, but is in no way limited to, history, operations, customs and traditions, technology, equipment, political, economic and social issues relating to inland waterways transportation, maritime transportation, merchant/commercial shipping and the marine industry. This list is not meant to be all inclusive (it would also include such topics as decline of the US merchant fleet, cruise ship safety, ocean liners, clipper ships, etc). Discussions relating to navies and warships should go to sci.military.naval. Inquiries about cruise ship schedules, etc. should be directed to the appropriate rec.travel groups. Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. END CHARTER. CHARTER: misc.transport.road misc.transport.road is for discussion of all aspects of road/highway transportation and design not included in other groups (such as misc.transport.trucking and misc.transport.urban-transit). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. END CHARTER. misc.transport.{misc,marine,road} Final Voter list misc.transport.road -----+ misc.transport.marine ----+| misc.transport.misc ---+|| ||| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PAVLIK@Pap.UniVie.AC.AT Andreas Pavlik NYN jleishma@ozemail.com.au john leishman jleishma@ozemail.com.au YYY mincad@ozemail.com.au Leigh Wardle YYY yap@ENG2.eng.monash.edu.au Mow Ying Yap YYY hutchij@epsmtp.dep.sa.gov.au HUTCHINSON, John YYY nwaller@lands.sa.gov.au YY- rodsmith@werple.mira.net.au Roderick Smith YY- peterm@peninsula.starway.net.au Peter Mackie Y-Y Oleg_I._Sannikov@ieaust.org.au Oleg I. 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