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i was wondering if anyone has heard of texus rednose...

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Answer by REDDOG
Submitted on 4/17/2004
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Pit Bulls were created to fight. Bull baiting was the major purpose they were actually bred for well into the early 19th century in England. The breed was once called the Bulldog and Terrier Dog. This breed developed in England and later acquired the name the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The American Pit Bull and the American Staffordshire evolved from this breed. These three strains are closely related but still different breeds of the same family. Bull baiting was a spectacular and very cruel sport. A bull meant for slaughter was brought to the market to be attacked by Pit Bulls. The brutal practice of bull baiting was abolished in 1835 as a result of a public protest. However, dog fighting replaced the bull baiting for those interested in such public entertainment. The dog fighting was regarded inferior to the bull baiting, as the bull baiting was primarily entertainment for royalty, while dog fighting was not so spectacular and privileged. Special trainers prepare Pit Bulls for their fighting career by keeping them hungry and making them angry. Fighting dogs with serious injuries are forced to keep on fighting. Dog fighting is illegal and is banned in most states. Still, Pit Bulls are often bred for one purpose only-dog fighting. The Pit Bull breeds' history plays a significant role in their fortunes nowadays, as well. Because of their notorious history of fierce fighters, they are banned in some countries. There is no denying, the Pit Bull is a fighter by its nature. This fact shouldn't be ignored. Those who claim that Pitt Bull breeds are extremely dangerous and unreasonable to deal with are as wrong as those who deny that these dogs might be aggressive if not properly treated. Pit Bulls - Breeders - Recognition There is some considerable misunderstanding in differentiation between the Pit Bull strains and no unique belief concerning what Pit Bull breed to consider the standard one. The UKC recognized the Bull-and-Terrier Dog as the American Pit Bull Terrier in 1898. The AKC has not recognized the American Pit Bull Terrier breed, as originally, it was bred not for conformation shows, but as a working dog meant to participate in dog fighting. Instead, the AKC recognized American Pit Bull Terriers as Staffordshire Terriers as far back as 1936.

Answer by Ohio PitBull Boss
Submitted on 6/12/2004
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Listen From what I read here very few of you should have a pitbull. Yes there are rednose,blue pitbulls the red nose came from ireland around the early 1900's by a fellow witht he last name lighter. And he moved to colorado in the mid 40's and gave up the rednose because he didnt like the look so a few fellows went to the deep south and found his bloodline in tack and took 7 pure rednoses to the panhandle of taxas. those few dog men have names such as Hemphill,Harvey, to name a few and the rednose is a recessive trait that was mastered by close inbreding to preserve that trait. Let me also touch on the subject one of you wrote about pitbulls and staffordshires....here's the deal about that do your homework the AKC would not let pitbull be registered so by doing a little name change hense american staffs the UKC opened there stud books to throw show quality pits for the new so called breed for AKC now please explain if they are 2 different breeds why are there dogs dual registered AKC & UKC they are the same dam breed but through the 30 years or so they have been bred as staffs they are mainly the show quality pits you see. Not the game red noses sitting on some little kids lap with the registered papers of an AKC American Staff.....

Answer by Don
Submitted on 7/3/2004
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PITBULL TERRRIER-A FIGHTINGDOG DELOPEDIN THE 19H CEENTURY ENGLAND OUT OFTHE BULLDOGAND A TERRIER STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER-A BREED OF TERRIER DEVELOPEDIN THE 19TH CENTURY ENGLAND FOR FIGHTING OTHER DOG IN PITS.THE BREED WAS CREATED BY CROSSING THE BULLDOG WITH A TERRIER. BULL TERRIER-A DOG DEVELOPED IN 19TH CENTURY ENGLANDFROM THE BULLDOG AND A WHITE ENGLISH TERRIER,A BREED NOW EXTNCT. SO BASICALLY THE BULLDOG AND TERRIER ARE THE FOUNDATION OF THIS BREED.SO IF UR DOG IS SUPPOSEDLY A PUREBRED PIT BULL TERRIER THIS IS WHAT IT CAME FROM. I HAVE 2 REDNOSES AND A TIGER STRIPE PIT,I RECENTLY BRED MY MY TWO REDNOSES AND I GOT REDNOSEED PUPPYS THEN I BRED MY REDNOSE AND TIGER STRIPE PITAND I GOT BRINDLE AND RED PUPPYS BECAUSE ALL A TIGER STRIPE PIT IS A BRINDLE PITBULL.PEOPLE HAVE THERE OWN OPINIONS AND I HAVE MINE. I THINK REDNOSES ARE STRAIN OF PITBULLS THAT HAS DVELOPED.MY MALE IS APBT REGISTERED AND HE IS A REDNOSE THATS IS WHY I THINK REDNOSE IS IT OWN STRAIN BLOOD

Answer by PsychoMedic
Submitted on 8/9/2004
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Texasrednosepitbulls.com is the filthiest, most disgusting, sorriest excuse for a dogs home I've ever seen. Much less a breeding facility...which its not. Its a bunch of inbred hicks making profit off a dog that doesn't even really exist. American Pit Bull Terriers consist of one breed, American Pit Bull Terrier. Everything else you hear is a bunch of wannabes trying to make a profit at the expense of a once truly great breed. I live in Texas and own a red coat, red nosed APBT that I rescued from the local animal shelter. I'm ashamed that he may have come from that vile kennel. The pictures on their webpage say it all. All you little gangsta, dog fighta, big ballin wannabes need to learn how to read and pick up a book. You can start at www.pitbullforum.com

Answer by Conflict
Submitted on 10/1/2004
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All you idiots talking bout the staff is a pit need to close your mouth, they are different and did not get its name changed because it was illegal to have them. I'm a breeder and there is no such thing as a texas red nose, its just a name giving to them because they are from texas. and wat in the world is a bluenose pit. Its called a BluePit because of its color, it does not have a blue nose. And all pits come from the same blood line. It doesn't matter if its a Bluepit, A Rednose or an American PitBull. They all have the same ansesters and they were breed for fighting war and hunting by the romans. They came from the BullDog which came from England. Honestly its like saying Because I'm from NY and someone else of the same color is from texas that we are not the same race. Come on now be real. A pit is a Pit and they all have their differences just like people of the same race do. Like light skin Blacks and taned whites but I guess to all the ignorant people they become a diff race huh, do your research before you want to answer someone's question. They all fight well no matter what kind of pit it is, it depends on the person training them and for the young one spinna go back to school before you open your mouth and make things up, it should do you some good.

Answer by Cas
Submitted on 10/1/2004
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"Red or blue nose dogs are: a special type of Pit Bull / rare / worth more than black nose dogs": The answer to all of the above is: FALSE!!! Let's talk color in Pit Bulls. Pit Bulls are traditionally a performance breed. That means that they were originally bred based on how well they performed a certain task, not what they looked like. Color was probably the least important thing that oldtime breeders of Pit Bulls considered. Today, Pit Bulls remain largely a working/performance dog, and so the old way of doing things as far as looks are concerned largely still holds fast. True, many Pit Bulls today are also bred with the show ring in mind, however color is of almost zero importance even in that venue. No one who really knows Pit Bulls is all that impressed by color. A flashy color does not a good dog make, and although many people have favorite colors, breed-saavy people know that it's what's under the coat that counts. Pit Bulls come in almost every color that is genetically possible in dogs. Some colors are more common (brindle or fawn for instance); some colors you don't see as often (such as spotted or black and tan). One thing is for certain, however: blue and red nosed dogs do NOT fall into the "rare" category--there are many of both colors out there, especially (at least in my area) the red nosed dogs.

Answer by JUICE
Submitted on 11/23/2004
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YOU'RE ALL SO ANGRY....EVERYONE COULD ARGUE FOR HOURS AND EVERYONE WILL SWEAR THEY KNOW BUT HERE'S THE TRUTH (WHAT I BELIEVE FROM READING AND KNOWING A REPUTABLE BREEDER) TEXAS RED NOSE IS AN OLD OLD LINE..THERE IS NO "PURE" BLOODLINE ANYMORE THESE DAYS BUT THERE ARE BLOODLINES THAT ARE THE PUREST OF THEIR KIND BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BREED DIFFERENTLY FOR DECADES. MY PIT IS KNOWN AS A TEXAS REDNOSE PIT BULL BECAUSE OF HIS REDNOSE, RED COAT AND HIS LIGHT GREEN EYES; THESE DOGS ARE ONLY TRUE TO THEIR NAME IF THEY SPORT A SINGLE WHITE DIAMOND PATCH OF FUR ON THEIR CHEST. THIS IS A CHAMPION LINE FOR SIZE, TEMPERMENT AND FOR SHOWS. THIS BREEDER HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS...LIVES AND SLEEPS THESE DOGS. MAYBE EVERYONE SHOULD STOP MIXING THESE BREEDS AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS ARGUMENT NOR WOULD SOME OF THEM TURN SO FKIN CRAZY?!

Answer by pyasito
Submitted on 12/8/2004
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texus is the last name of a family, who immigrated from mexico city. the family settled near san antonio in the late 1800's after purshasing a land grant for the purpose of establishing a cattle ranch.the first born son, pedro(after his father), studied law in london england where he was first introduced to the pit bull. upon returning back to the ranch, he brought with him 2 pure bred english pit bull terriers, 1 a sire, 1 a dam, for the purpose of profiting from breeding, selling, and fighting pits in the english fashion.the family was soon ran out of san antonio by the bigger, more established cattle ranchers of the time, then returned back to mexico city. pedro jr. continued breeding, distributing, @ fighting pits until his death in 1962. his son, also pedro, sold the family dog business to a pair of brothers from boston. on there return to boston, these 2 bro's where alledgedly robbed @ killed by banditos within 20 miles of the outskirts of northern mexico city. since the breeding of the texus pits discontinued in 1963,(although it is possible) i doubt the truth behind your claim. P.S.... it was only a coincidence that this family settled in texas. texus, is completely different from texas.

Answer by pyasito
Submitted on 12/8/2004
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texus is the last name of a family, who immigrated from mexico city. the family settled near san antonio in the late 1800's after purshasing a land grant for the purpose of establishing a cattle ranch.the first born son, pedro(after his father), studied law in london england where he was first introduced to the pit bull. upon returning back to the ranch, he brought with him 2 pure bred english pit bull terriers, 1 a sire, 1 a dam, for the purpose of profiting from breeding, selling, and fighting pits in the english fashion.the family was soon ran out of san antonio by the bigger, more established cattle ranchers of the time, then returned back to mexico city. pedro jr. continued breeding, distributing, @ fighting pits until his death in 1962. his son, also pedro, sold the family dog business to a pair of brothers from boston. on there return to boston, these 2 bro's where alledgedly robbed @ killed by banditos within 20 miles of the outskirts of northern mexico city. since the breeding of the texus pits discontinued in 1963,(although it is possible) i doubt the truth behind your claim. P.S.... it was only a coincidence that this family settled in texas. texus, is completely different from texas.

Answer by ransom
Submitted on 12/29/2004
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AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER IS THE BREED.ON A DOGS REGISTRATION PAPERS THE COLOR IS THEN LISTED AS FAWN-REDNOSE.THE MUZZLE OF THE REDNOSE SHOULD BE A RED COLOR, GIVING IT THE NICKNAME. IF ITS ANOTHER COLOR, IT'S PROBABLY A BRINDLE OR A DAPPLE. AS FAR AS BLOODLINES GO, THAT JUST MEANS THAT YOU HAVE GENERATIONS OF DOGS THAT STARTED AS ONE FEMALE DOG.ITS USUALLY BRED ONCE, THEN CONTINUES BREEDING WITH ITS LATER GENERATIONS.ALOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO PAPERS FOR THEIR DOGS WILL "GIVE" THEM THEIR OWN BLOODLINE NAME. OR TELL YOU ONE THEY'VE HEARD.BUT IF YOU HAVE PAPERS, IT WILL BE BEFORE OR AFTER THE DOGS NAME. LIKE-"RANSOMS SPOOK-SHOW ZOLA."SPOOK-SHOW BEING THE BLOODLINE.

Answer by Dogman
Submitted on 1/16/2005
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Yes, I remember reading a Pitbull book acouple of years ago which talked about the Old family Red nose that was imported and breed in Texas and closly related to the old "Red nose Wallace" bloodline, but don't get me wrong I'm not saying that all Red nose pitbulls steam from these bloodlines. These breeders and bloodlines where around in the early 19 century with other great strains of the pitbull such as Corvino, Going light, Colby, Red nose Wallace, Old Family etc etc. All these dogs where fighting and family dogs. Now a days there's alot of different bloodlines and scatter breeds. There are good books out there with lots of info like Diana Jessup's"The Working Putbull" or I guess if your really passionate you should go to Texas yourself..... Good luck :-)

Answer by Hooz
Submitted on 1/22/2005
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Listen to Ohio he seems like he knows his dogs, anyhow as he said red is a recessive gene its found in all pitbulls and the texas name simply comes from the area the dogs were migrated to... the old school dog men, would routinely characterize thier breeds in those days by the geographic location because transportation wasnt as simple back then , hence when a good dogman had good stock , the surrounding area carried that genepool and for example a good dog man looks for good stock to be wary of inbreeding may have bred to a dog he saw and liked in texas hence the terms "texas red" dogs started popping up, the same is true for coon hunters, do a check on walkers and blueticks, the same premises apply and ...spinna ....Your uncle needs to slap you and take away your keyboard privelages

Answer by Danny
Submitted on 2/8/2005
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There are so many uninformed people out there it is unreal!! There are Red-nose pits. They are how ever a weaker breed! They have a generic trait of cowardness! You break a Rednose if you are not careful. This probably comes from too much inbreeding. I have raised Raised pits for over 30 years.As far as the AKC(American Kennel Club), it was once beleived that the pits: including the first pit which was the Bull Terrier, could not be train to work around other dogs because of their background. Then they lifted their ban on the Bull Terrier and were successful. Then they decided to allow all pits in the shows. There are 5 Breeds of pits. As far as fighting Bulls, that was the English Bull Dog. 1. Bull Terrier 2. American Staffordshire Terrier 3. Staffordshire Bull Terrier 4. Rednose 5. Blue Pit These are all true pits and were bred for fighting. If anyone wants to dispute this go ahead! I have researched these breeds extensively! I know this is the truth! As for Sandra, The rednose is by far a good breed for a personal companion, AND if you train it proper for a family dog. Also being of terrier background is a good all purpose dog. Which includes hunting, farm and Ranch, ect.! Thank-you for your time! Danny

Answer by nick w/ DTC kennels
Submitted on 2/9/2005
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There is no reason to argue,to answer a simple question i would say your dog is not a " Texas Red nose" in terms of bloodline, but just as humans when you recieved your pit they called it a Texas pit just like i'm a Floridian but I'm Irish/Native American(that doesn't mean I have Florida in my blood). In this case it could easily of been a ignorant breeder that you got your pup from it's something alot of uninformed breeders do, he could of just thrown these words in there, big words of fancy bloodline names inorder to sound knowledgable.I personally believe 1/2 the people responding on this site don't even know half the information that they should in regards to the breed. -nick (nick123100@aol.com)

Answer by pit payaso
Submitted on 4/18/2005
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Red nose is both a color and a strain. Many red noses are red but they are not the old family red noses. Most dogs that are blue are from show dogs and are bred just for color. On a different note the AKC has done more to damage more breeds than any other thing. They breed dogs for looks that can change from one generation to the next. True pits are bred for performance. And what makes a pit bull, like it or not, is its "gameness" not only its willingness to fight but to take punishment. Either through fighting (which is illegal) or going after wild hogs. Pits, to be honest are lousey guard dogs because a good pit is kind to people but aggressive to just about any other animal. That's what hundreds of years of breeding does. Think about it....do you want to handle a dog that's aggressive to humans. It only makes sense to keep dogs that had a good disposition towards man but aggressive tendencies towards other dogs. But yes....there are red and blue pits but only true red are the old family as the MadMan said.....thanks.

Answer by megz
Submitted on 4/21/2005
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i just want to let all u stupid ppl know that yes there is such thing as a red nose pitbull as i have one and hes been to the vet for blood work to prove hes a pure bread texas red nose. so to all those of u who are wondering yes there is also such thing as a blue nose pitbull. so from what i have read some of u need to go back to school and do ur history. also i must say that most of u should not have pitbulls if u dont know the breed or the temperment of the dog why have it??? for ur information the texas red nose is called the devils dog because of there temperment so take that and deal with it i must also add we have family that has bread dogs for over 25 years and he said there is a difference between red noses and other breeds of pits.

Answer by mike
Submitted on 5/26/2005
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hi I'Ive been doing allot of research on Pitt bulls and other dogs i have a Pitt bull people have told me it is Texas red nose but there is no such thing red nose is the color there really American Pitt bull terrier red nose is not bloodline the mane blood line for Pitt's r Gotti Razer's Edge raging bull etc same with the Rottwilers German and American they r bloodlines not the breed just like humans blood type blood lines r the same thing humans have a b ab o blood types that is just a type of blood or bloodline its not race i am still doing allot of research i will put more on oh ya American blue Pitts r real I'm getting one i will put some web site on here for every one to read

Answer by geno
Submitted on 6/1/2005
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i just have a question i had a pit that was all white under the stomach his head was 90% white. very muscular weight about 60lb red nose with hazel type eyes.the eye color seamed a little different but i don't know whether that is very rare or not.his neck was a little longer than most that i seen and he was about 20 inches or so tall i guy at the pest store had a book he said it was a english pitbull.he said one way to tell is by his temperment he said that they listens better.one thing that i notice about that dog is that he was very gentle and was not aggresive toward strange dogs or people he looked very,very,intimadating.but would not bite a stranger but he would come up to them to check them out.and the same thing for another dog,his head was very large.i have a pic around someplace of him....could you tell me by the nature of this dog and the eye color and description,i'm giving you what bloodline he was from.i was told before he was a red nose english pitbull.i really miss him alot.even tho its been years ago in 96"when he died.unfortunely he got tangled up in his rope while i was out.and choke to death.my e-mail is Torrancegeno@aol.com let me know what you think or do you have any pic's you can let me view that could give a closer description that i can see to pin it down what he looked more like ...oh forgot to mention he was all brrown on his back and tail.but on the tip of his tail and all four paws was white and so was his neck ears had some brown it looked like a paper bag type of brown coat.thank you max was a great pet.

Answer by jpz
Submitted on 7/2/2005
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!O.K., here is my take on the issue! Rednose just means that the dogs nose is red, the dog could be a brownish red, fawn, white, red, you may even see a black Rednose once in a blue moon. Truth be told right here, right now, this is a genetic strait, not a bloodline! The same holds true for the Blues that I breed, the color of the dog is all genetics and unless you are line breeding, you may not know what colors two dogs will produce. Now as for lines that produce a specific color and type O.F.R.N. is a strain, such as Colby and McCoy! My line consists of Cheeks,which I have traced back to the late 1860's and there was some old Colby Pincher and Tudeux's Black Bear behind this line! As far as I am concerned the Amstaff and the A.P.B.T. are the same breed, just with two different breeding programs, like the Johnson and Allen lines of the American Bulldog. Years of breeding out the gameness has cause the temperament of the Amstaff and A.P.B.T. to Differ. Don't get me wrong, some Staffs still have the bark, but it's worst then their bite in most cases! Kinda like the old school English bulldog compared to the one we all see now, they might have been just a little too mean to be A.K.C. Reg.! Take a look at my stud Chance, he has 7 of the top 20, all time producing males and females of the U.K.C. in his first three Gen., 6 in the top ten! www.geocities.com/bluhorizonknls

Answer by TEXASBreeder
Submitted on 8/21/2005
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First of all, A Staffordshire terrier is not a pit bull. The American Pitbull Terrier comes from the Staffordshire, which was breed in England to take down bull and bear. The Pit as we know it was crossbreed several times to get a smaller faster breed that is known for its fighting in pits. Hence the name Pit Bull. The Red nose and is a breed of pitbull as well as the blue nose as you call it, blues actually come from the greyline. A Texas Rednose is a Rednose Pit bull breed in Texas which has markings not seen by other pits in other states. These markings are rare such as a white wishbone looking chest goldish green eyes, blockheads, and other markings seen on Texas Rednoses that are not seen on other pits.

Answer by 2bdpits
Submitted on 10/3/2005
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you all are forgetting about the 'Texas pink nose' dogs. let's have a big argument about whether a 'pitbull' can have a pink nose on them or not!!!! i live on the tennessee/virginia line and there's thousands of these red nose 'pitbulls.' so does that mean that i have a tennessee/virginian strain of red nose pits? no, it's all hype to try to get you to buy a "rare bloodline" pitbull. same as the fabled 'merle' blue pitbull. if there was such thing as a strain of this type of pit or that type, then these 'old bloodlines' would look exactly alike. you can look up Colby pitbulls' website and see the very vast differences in the pictures of this old bloodline of pitbulls. dogs are dogs, and ice cream's - ice cream, just different color and flavor.

Answer by monster
Submitted on 12/22/2005
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sorry 12 gauge you don't know dogs too well.staffies are not pitbulls.the akc starting registering pitbulls in the early 1900's and they didn't want to endorse "bullbaiting" or "pitfighting" so they didn't want to call them "pitbulls".they decided to name them staffordshire terriers in honor of staffordshire,england thought to be the original breeding area between the english terrier and a bulldog that developed into the dogs we are discussing now. the american pitbull terrier was the name recognized by the a.d.b.a. they DID start out as the same breed but due to selective breeding and whatnot you now have two separate breeds with their own respective standards.as for a texas rednose....i have never heard of that bbloodline...it sounds like somebody putting ideas in your head.bobby hall has kennels in galveston texas where he breeds the world famous "bullyson" bloodline....if their are any breeders or bloodline worth its weight in texas he'll be familiar with it so look up one of his sites and make your inquiry to a professional,most of these people responding to your question don't know anything about the breed beyond the fact they can be taught to be aggressive......PEACE!!!!! KILuminati74@comcast.net by the way....tigercats is right....old family red nose is the "real" rednose......i'm ghost

Answer by billysbullies.com
Submitted on 2/19/2006
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people people...ok i will break this down for you, the first pit bulls to come to the united states were from the lightner family who bread what they called and what are conitnued to be called today old family reds...the texas red is half old family red and half colby (which is a bloodline which originated from the old family reds...old family reds and texas rednosed normally are not as wide and heavy as other bloodlines however they are usually much taller at about 22 to 24 inches, they are much more sleek therefore enabling them to be more agile and quik in the old time game dog scenarios....now for those who are arguing about breeds,,,texas red is not a breed...old family red is not a breed, razors edge is not a breed and so forth...lets look at this in human terms. all of us are people, that makes us a species ( such as dogs ) those of us who are american makes us have american heritage ( same as american breeds of dogs ) ok now we break it down a little...my neighbors last name is taylor...makes him of the taylor bloodline...my name is yates..makes me of the yates bloodline...same as with dogs...when a dog becomes a champion and the vast majority of his offspring also becomes champions at that time normally his offspring will be considered to be of the bloodline in which the sire was named....and as for amstaffs....there the same thing,,,staffs were non game pit bulls.is just a socially acceptable name for the pitbull breed..period....for more information on lineages of pit bull bloodlines see my site at billysbullies.com as i am a old family red breeder.

Answer by crusher von-hogslayer
Submitted on 2/27/2006
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First off this goes to spinna or what-ever other idiotic name you may go by on your dirty little drug infested street corner while selling that crap to our kid's.Have you ever heard of stupid is,as stupid does.Stop perpetuating the cycle.Dog fighting is out-dated and over-rated once you see your beloved red take his first 425lb. wild boar,and pin it's big ass in a palmetto,kevlar vest and all. My name is Buddy G. aka Hogslayer Kennel's. Crusher is my first-born rednose,after years of watching my father breeding (american pitbull terrier's) !!!!!!! He is my first but not near the last.Texas is just a state.Rednose is just a type within the american pitbull terrier breed.Madmann keep up the good work.A good answer is hard to come by these day's.If there were more like you, the breed might be in better standing's with the public.I wish good luck to all the bully breed'sand their master's. p.s. good hunting

Answer by jc
Submitted on 3/12/2006
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Sharif the only reason your puppies in only the one litter had rednoses was because its a recessive gene. And that doesn't mean your dogs were any purebred bloodline. And you shouldn't breed dogs especially pitbulls without any knowledge of genetics and how traits are passed on as this can get fairly complex. Way beyond dominant recessive relationships ... traits can attach themselves to each other or only show up when other genes are present and many others ways. So PLEASE stop using dogs as a personal cash machine or science project. The more dogs you produce the more likely you'll place dogs in bad homes that take poor care of them. If you were a skilled breeder you'd have some excuse but you obviously are not. Your dog has papers because it is a registered pitbull. There are probably many blue and red nosed dogs that have papers identical to your dog whether its ukc adba etc but this does not mean there aren't red and blue nosed bloodlines As far as amstaffs/pits. They are largely the same as there are a large number of dogs that are double registered and on several occasions as recent as the 70's AKC allowed registered pitbulls to get papers as an amstaff. However if the dogs had red noses or more than 80% of their fur was white(another trait associated as a fighting trait) they wouldn't take it into the akc. Obviously not all pits are descended from the same bulldog/terrier cross. Pitbulls have by far the largest gene pool of any breed. They can be 29 lb powerhouses that can pull almost a ton of weight on a cart and they can be 150lb balls of muscle. They can be tall and skinny short and squat and suprising to most people the tall narrow ones were much better at fighting within their own weight group. Simply put a long legged dog has better range. There are many true breeding bloodlines of pitbulls named after various people and traits . Most pitbulls have a mix of various bloodlines but through trait linkage can show dominance toward one of the many bloodlines in its ancestry. You can have different dogs in the same litter that look like different bloodlines in its ancestry . This however doesn't make the dog a true breeding dog of that bloodline even if it does show a strong resemblance in looks and behavior. Old family reds are one of these bloodlines but the initial terrier and bulldog cross was done in Ireland and brought over. These dogs bare a strong resemblance to irish terriers though the bulldog pert is still there. Having redish gold fur red skin golden eyes are good jumpers long legged and the most intense stare that's ever come out of a dog and most of the time a red nose. My female is an adba registered pitbull she has most of these traits as do most of her grandparents and great grandparents. She is an incredibly intense and intelligent dog and not quite as happy go lucky as my others that come from various mix of english terriers and bulldogs and she is much more terrier like than most pits. She would definitely make a high scoring fighter if I was unscrupulous enough to do so This does not make her an old family red. She does have a red nose so it wouldn't be incorrect to call her a rednose. And it wouldn't be terribly incorrect to call her an old family red but incorrect still. I hope this clarifies things and doesn't make them more confusing.

Answer by truepitnowledge
Submitted on 5/18/2006
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it seems that no one on this website knows what they are talking about. the rednose line was basically derived from irish fighting dogs.they were imported by irish immigrants.the line was known as old family rednose.there is now no existence of a 100% old family rednose dog.pitbulls and amstaffs are basically the same dogs.amstaff can be registered as apbt in ukc and adba. the reason for the name change in the akc is to get away from the fighting roots. the first amstaff registered was a colby dog which was a pitbull. some say after years of breeding the staff to other staffs they developed more show qualities and strayed away from the gameness of a true pit. but some breeders breed pits to staffs to try to develop a total dog' but any dog registered adba or ukc only can not be registered akc. so u could say an akc staff may differ a little from a game bred pit. any person who fights dogs are stupid and should be shot because they are the biggest problem of the breed. all rednose dogs derive from old family

Answer by steph987
Submitted on 5/19/2006
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look texas red nose pitbulls is just a kennel, you people on here should really know a thing or two about pitbulls before you go and throw in your 2 sense. i have two pitbulls, a red nose and a blue nose. The blue nose is a female and we got her from a kennel. Kennels are groups of people with dogs that breed them and specialize in a particular type. For example i got my blue nose from someone that started sort of like a club for blue nose pits and breeds only those type.So that is just the same exact thing as the texas red nose pitbulls, they are just a kennel who specialized in red nose pitbulls.And for the person who said that blue nose pits have brown fur that is so brown it is blue is a lie. Just because the pitbull is a blue nose does not mean it's fur has to be blue or it's nose for that matter, i know many people with blue pits and their pitbulls are brindle or fawn colored and they don't have blue noses, however they are still purebred blue noses.Also, red nose and blue nose are just the type of pitbull it is, they are not 2 different bloodlines or breed of dogs.And also, for the person who sadi red nose is a bloodline is an idiot, you obviously have never done any reasearch, a bloodline is who the pitbulls ancestors are, for example many blue noses come from gottyline and gotty is a pit that has a very big head and chest, diff. kennels breed with gotty so that their pits can have thos same traits, and if your bloodline is a gotty that means that somewhere down the lines your pitbull's ancestor's have bred with gotty, just the same as razor's edge, he was pit or it was a kennel that got turned itno something big and had so many pits it turned into a bloodline. So sorry to break it to ya, but just red nose or blue nose is not the bloodline, to find your dogs bloodline get a dna test done through either adba or ukc and that is the bloodline not the color or type of pitbull. But as for the prson who's question i am answering texusrednosepitbulls is just aa kennels. If you would like to see an example of a kennel here are a few good sites bluelinekennels or gottyline pits, just google them and it should come up.

Answer by a_rod61
Submitted on 5/23/2006
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I happen to be the proud owner of two beautiful rednose pitbulls and at a young age became fascinated with pitbulls in general and started researching the history of the breed. there is a such breed as rednose it is one of the oldest strain of pitbull in history. the old family rednose has a red coat golden eyes and may have white on it's chest and toes but in the case that a rednose is patched red and white or a red brindle that simply because it was crossed out of it's bloodline. for those of you who are uneducated about the breed and say a pitbull is a pitbull theres no specific breed let me put it to you like this. are all americans just americans no there are different races of americans example: hispanics, caucasions, africans, asians etc. it's the same for pitbulls theres red, blue, black, white, fawn etc. lastly i believe it was 12guage who said the amstaff and pitbull are the same breed sorry but your wrong. this might be a little tricky for you so pay attention. the american staffordshire terrier's original name was simply staffordshire terrier not pitbull considering the pitbull was created after the amstaff because the amstaff was a poor fighter.

Answer by DogsGO2heaven2
Submitted on 6/16/2006
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It's a shame that all of you place such importance on the purity of your animal friends. They were bred to tear each other up. (To those of you continuing to fight pits; your macho adreniline rushes can be addressed without the animal brutality.) What good is that to loving pet owners? Anyway, anyone who has seen a pit at all can look at a group of dogs and pick out the pits fom the other breeds, be they red nosed, blue, brindal and the like. So, I say if it looks like a pit, barks ( or more corectly doesn't bark) like a pit, and walks like a pit, it is safe to assume that the dog is indeed a pit bull. How pure your animal is is irrelevant. All pits are capeable of kisses, cuddles, bites, and attacks. So get over yourselves and your need to be authentic because in the end your dog should be your friend not a status symbol.

Answer by James
Submitted on 8/25/2006
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I don't wish to make this personal but a lot of these contributions are absolute nonsense. If contributors could use basic grammar then at least their point could be understood. I thought I knew little about American Pitbull Terriers but many of you, who apparently own Pitbulls, are the worst advertisement a breed could ask for. This argument about whether Rednoses are a breed of their own or unique bloodline is almost irrelevant. Strictly speaking, the difference between breed and bloodline is rather gray. You could say a that a bloodline that is long established could effectively become a breed in its own right. If you cross two members of a bloodline together and repeatedly produce offspring that closely resemble the parents, then they are effectively a breed (like a race, among humans). Compare this definition to that of a species and you begin to understand why the differences among breeds, bloodlines, races, strains etc. is relatively subtle, but nonetheless significant and important. In conclusion, stop losing sleep over it and get out there and as Pitbull enthusiasts, lead by example. The breed'sdiversity is its very asset so please don't spoil it by being misinformed or by creating some kind of class distinction.

Answer by tmoua
Submitted on 10/2/2006
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i got a blue pit and there isn't such thing as blue nose pit its just blue pit. Blue pitt comes in three types of color only. Greyish blue and blackish blue also white. The only way you can really tell if its a blue pit is greyish blue color or there blue eyes. And also Texas red nose pit are just regular red nose just the blood line of your pit was developed from texas. So My Pit ZUES is one stupid guy thinking pit bull will be pit bull and color would be color cause blue pits are the rarest you can find for a pit. Thank you and for texas red nose they have a different blood line from the other rest of red nose. Blue pits are not just ordinary pits and pits have blood line for a reason. The background of the pitt how he/she would look like is the blood line of the pitt.

Answer by rojoloco
Submitted on 4/10/2007
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I agree with Michelle & pitbull! Red-nose / blue-nose is a color of an AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER. Yes, you can create a line & call it "red-nosed", but show me a registered ADBA or UKC reg. APBT that has this blood line as a name!!! There are many breeders that have created their own line from many years of selective breeding that throw these colors other than just "Old family reds." Yes there are UKC/AKC reg. PIt/am. staffs out there, however, they have evolved into two different breeds based on UKC & AKC standards, even though you can have a APBT that is "dual" registered. Some of you people DO NOT need to have anything to do with APBT's! This is a PRIME example of ignorant people owning a powerful breed that are contributing to their extintion/banning!! I am all for owning APBT's however APBT'sare not for everyone!! So PLEASE, if you are considering owning/purchasing an APBT, do your research & educate yourself to promote responsible ownership/breeding of this phenomenal breed.

Answer by blah
Submitted on 6/8/2007
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i live in san diego and i also heard of the legendary texas pits.....but its not a breed its jus the red noses in texas got more body mass and maybe have more of an american staffordshire terrier blood in them....i own a red nose pitbull and he is very short with a big head which are the traits of an original staffordshire terrier.....theres only one real breed lik cris sed its AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER...rednose is a certain colored pitbull due to ancestors with solid skin color and mix of "bullies" and so is the blue nosed pitbull....the difference is the pigment of the skin tone of a blue nose is grayish blue....and the pigment of a rednose is pinkish red....u can determine these traits by lifting up the back skin and ull see a shade of blue or red....and also the hairs and color of the bottom of the stomache...they only say its a breed because some have a full color...which means fullbred rednose or fullbred bluenose u never kno wut the ancestors are jus to make that kolor temperment size and nose color.....but if its papered its a full rednose....or a full blue nose....theres mixes of bullies to make certain pibulls....but besides that if your texas rednose is papered or not its jus a breed that comes from texas the breeds down in san diego are mostly short and stocky but not very tall...... texas rednoses are huge compared to ours

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Question by sandra
Submitted on 9/28/2003
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i was wondering if anyone has heard of texus rednose pitbulls, i have not been able to find anything on them if that name excists, i have a dog and she is suppose to be a texus rednose pitbull . if you have anyinfo e-mail at diane263@yahoo.com thanks for any help

Answer by Michelle
Submitted on 11/3/2003
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Pit Bulls are a breed. Red nose is a color. Texas is a state. You may have a pure bred pit bull, but the rest doens't mean anything.

Answer by JetG
Submitted on 1/10/2004
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you might have a purebred pitbull, with a rednose and a red (fawn) coat,but as for texas Ummmm try looking up 'Rednose Bronco' texas is a state

Answer by 12 Guage
Submitted on 1/26/2004
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Michelle does not know what she's talking about. Rednose is its own bloodline, not color. Rednoses can be all sorts of colors totally different from bluenose pits, staffordshire, amstaff, etc, which all can be pitbull but are not the same. Texasrednosepitbulls.com is a breeder of rednose and there dogs can differ from other breeders rednoses like temperment, looks, etc.

Answer by pitbul
Submitted on 1/28/2004
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12 guage does not know what he is talking about because there is no such breed as a red nose pit or a blue pit they are the same thing its just one has a red and 12 guage show me a blue nose pit will ya and the staff and pit are completely different breeds so don't call a staff a pit.

Answer by j
Submitted on 2/1/2004
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pitbul is crazy because rednose is a breed of pits just as staff is a terrier just as a pitbull is a terrier but as for texus it is a cross between a blue easy on top and a razors edge on bottom which makes a texus better known as cowboy bloodline

Answer by welkz2003
Submitted on 2/2/2004
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A texus rednose is a bloodline from texas and is a very old bloodline my bro got a pup imported from texas it was light light red and had a enormous size. the pup supposedly was a texan pure breed rednose his name is ceasar he is 2 years old now he is 1.2m high and weighs 71kg

Answer by 12 Guage
Submitted on 2/3/2004
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Pitbul, you are a moron! I have two rednoses and one is red and the other a chocolate, Rednose is NOT a color. Also the staff is to a pitbull it just got it's name changed because they were illegal to have because of fighting years back in Europe.

Answer by moondog
Submitted on 2/6/2004
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the vast amount of uninformed pit owners is a testament to the problems the dog faces some jackass created this name one drunken eve there is no pure bred bulldog they are mated for certain traits,color,size,temperment,refined breeds rottweillers,dobermans,weinmaraners were never allowed to crossbreed once established bulldogs have been crossed and recatagorized so many times thats why there is such a variance in color size etc.

Answer by redpitman
Submitted on 3/7/2004
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There is such thing as red-nose pitbulls and I have on. There is also such thing as a blue pitbulls. Red-nose pits have a red nose and blue pits have skin so brown that it is almost blue. Check out www.mobsterpits.com if you do not believe me

Answer by Romeo
Submitted on 4/1/2004
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I have a red nose pit and many people have stopped me and told me he is a Texas Red Nose. The last fellow who told me that, I asked him how he knew and he said the red nose, red coat, light colored eyes (gold) and white chest were the marks of a Texas red nose, as opposed to a Utah red nose, Arizona red nose, etc. etc.

Answer by ooxbiz
Submitted on 4/2/2004
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hello i'mfrench and i don't speek english very well... excuse me but i'dlike have many information about texas rednose pitbull.. i have one and i don't found information in the french web... thanks..

Answer by blue nose pit
Submitted on 4/16/2004
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a blue nose is a breed just as a red nose. they are each pits but some have different ancestors. the blue nose is more related to the staff as for the red nose is more bull terrier. a Texas red nose is a red nose pit bull that has basally adapted to the climate in which it was raised.

Answer by tigercats12
Submitted on 4/22/2004
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first there is no such dog as a texas red nosed pit.. red nose is both a color and a bloodline.. but remember this there is only ONE true bloodline of rednose dogs..and not all of them have red noses.. it is the old family red dogs.. the rest is BS.. they might have a red nose or say red nose bla bla on their papers but unless it is a true OFR they are only words.

Answer by Cris
Submitted on 4/27/2004
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Well I guess since your dogs a Texas Red Nose, My red nosed dogs must be the rare Mississippi Red nosed pits. The only real BREED of Pit Bull is the AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER. As far as your dog being a Texas red nose it could be color or Bloodline unless you have a red nosed dog from pure red lines it is just the color(red nose)and Texas is were the breeder is located. In order for it to be a breed it would have to throw of the same thing in consecutive generations and even in the purest lines of red nosed dogs they may throw blacks blues and others.

Answer by Madman Kennels O.F.R.N.
Submitted on 5/30/2004
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Here is what I would like to add Red is recessive to all colors but white. Dogs can throw red dogs that does not make them a strain. I do breed a strain that only throws Red Dogs That is the Old Family Red Nose Strain. There is nothing that I have seen in 80 plus years in my family breeding these dogs. But some one can start there own strain but what to find out is what strain are they using to start it I hope that makes sense to you. Old Family Red Nose Is a very protected strain for instance that has been protected since the 1800's that is the only red nose strain that I believe exists on four legs today with any tradition! www.madmankennels.com

Answer by Madman Kennels O.F.R.N.
Submitted on 6/25/2004
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It was not Harvey and Hemphill it was Hemphill and Dan McCoy who went to secure what was left of the Lightner strain and it was found in Louisiana. The gentleman name that had preserved the line was Buragous! Then Bob Hemphill and Dan took the dogs to the Panhandle yes but then split the dogs and bred them together which preserved the line for people like me today! I have done my homework just like my father and grandfather before me we have been in dogs for 80 years and have had Old Family's the whole time!

Answer by sharif aka spinna
Submitted on 7/4/2004
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ya all need to just shut up because their is a such thing as a red nose bloodline.I know that because my uncle fights pitbulls. he has 27 pitbulls and they can punish any of your dogs so holla at ya boy young spinna yea

Answer by My pit Zeus
Submitted on 7/13/2004
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A pitbul is a pitbul. Color is color. And it doesn't matter were they are breed. So my boy should be refered to as a Florida pit, come on get real.

Answer by jmann4
Submitted on 8/8/2004
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ya all need to just shut up because their is a such thing as a red nose bloodline.I know that because my uncle fights pitbulls. he has 27 pitbulls and they can punish any of your dogs so holla at ya boy young spinna yea ================================================ Retard.

Answer by PitLuv
Submitted on 8/9/2004
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A Pit Bull is only a Pit Bull. Calling different colors different breeds is ridiculous. You could do that to almost any breed of dog! Get a grip!

Answer by metalord
Submitted on 8/17/2004
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its true,some of you should not own pitbulls.the lady asked a simple polite question,were the ignorance came from in some of your answers is beyond me.were all human yet there is people with black skin and people with white skin,it is the same with pits.whoever mentioned the old family red nose strain is right.there are certain breeders that preserve the PURE red nose strain,they do not deviate from that.as far as the dude that made the comment about his grandpappy fighting pittys,as if that makes him a expert on pitbulls.actually it makes him a criminal and someone that true lovers of the breed despise.you and your grandpappy should be in jail.

Answer by grandraw
Submitted on 8/26/2004
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www.grandrawpits.com to see some real reds and some real blues. bunch of knowledgable people.

Answer by Red Nose Dragon
Submitted on 9/12/2004
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sharif aka spinna, it's people like your uncle that gives the pit bulls a bad name. I've been studying pit bulls for the past two years and there is nothing else that makes the world hate pit bulls more than people like your uncle. You need to take a step back and look around are maybe you need to get in tha pit and fight a pitbull, maybe one of your uncles so they would tear you up. Pits are loving animals they are not fighting machines, respect the bred.

Answer by dontwatchthis
Submitted on 9/17/2004
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whats better a game red nose pit bull, or a blue pitbull ?????????????????????????

Answer by ROJO
Submitted on 9/21/2004
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I have several rednose pits........& I live in TX I have never heard of a TX rednose though the TX rednose in not a old bloodline due to it doesn't exist the oldest bloodline is the OLD FAMILY REDS (OFR) you can date it back to the 1800's those are the dogs that were used through the years they have lost alot due to inbreeding and cross breeding try to put some size on them now you have other lines which are the dominant force the OFR'Sare just here to keep history BUT they do have a bad attitude and look good walking with you on a chain or leash

Answer by patterson
Submitted on 11/1/2004
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I went on to texas red nose pitbulls and i saw some really nice ones so i might get 1 imported to englang 2 join my staffordshire bull terrier

Answer by luckyrednose
Submitted on 11/1/2004
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Nobody would ever imagine how much fuss we make of a type of pit bull.I have a red nose pit, I wouldn't care if I breed her with another red nose and got blue black or chocolate. What's a special blood line symbolize,I mean would you love your dog any less if you found out it came from a differentblood line then you thought it came from. I'm curious.

Answer by rednose "COWBOY"
Submitted on 12/5/2004
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I have a paper's on mine and he's 5 time grandchapion "COWBOY" and if the people are saying he's ukc there lieing cus the dont see pitbulls as a breed!

Answer by Angel
Submitted on 12/9/2004
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there is such thing as a red nose pit and a blue pit there is also a breed called the brindle pit i don't care what anyone has to say because i been raising the pit bull for over 15 years I have seen every different breed

Answer by tori
Submitted on 12/21/2004
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texus red nose pitties are real i have 2. they are actually called texus red nose Staffordshire terriers,but they are real. they look like pitbulls and they vary in size and colour but all of them have a fawnish red coloured nose.

Answer by Amazed
Submitted on 12/22/2004
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I can not believe the lack of education of people on this board when it comes to the dogs they are feeding!! A red nose is just a color, of the OLD FAMILY RED STRAIN.It is just a pit of Irish background not a breed it's self.It is a resesive gene, that is all. 12 GAUGE I THINK YOU NEED TO MOVE ON TO COCKER SPANIALS OR SOMETHING. I hope for everyone's sake you are not over 12 years old and your pit is your Daddy's.

Answer by Dr. Doodle
Submitted on 12/27/2004
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First of all sandra, its not Texus, its Texas, you stupid ass. the dog is called a texas rednose because its from texas, puta. I learned this at L.P.U., La Parita University. If there is such thing as a texas rednose pitbull, then the louisiana catahoula cur must be real.

Answer by Scarface
Submitted on 12/28/2004
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Dawg....Spinna...Yea thats great tell'nya uncs. business n all but dawg you could've kept that to yaself' playa cuz no cat round hea' gives a ?#$% ya heard,YEA.=) n by tha way a pits a pits fellaz....

Answer by bradleyneil
Submitted on 12/28/2004
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idiotsr there are red nose pit bulls wtf...ive got one....research old family red nose pits....and stfu what a stupid board