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Question by katrina
Submitted on 8/10/2003
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is there such a thing called deer chihuahuas.


Answer by chimama
Submitted on 8/11/2003
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No.  That is another made-up name like miniature, teacup, etc.  Chihuahuas only come in one breed, chihuahua.  There are smaller and larger within the breed, but they're all just plain old chihuahuas.

Some chihuahuas have a tendency to look like fawns when they run, especially as puppies.  My older chihuahua does.  She's very slim, has long legs and light fawn and cream coloring.  When she runs full out, she holds her head and body so that she looks just like a miniature deer running through the grass.  It's a description, not a designation.  They are no more valuable than any other chihuahua, unless you specifically want one.  A breeder who wants to charge you more is just trying to make money.  

Poodles do come in Standard, miniature and toy, bred to fit three different breed standards and are three different breeds.  I think this is where a lot of people get the idea, and it is often propagated by breeders who want to charge more for tiny pups.

These little ones have more health problems due to their very tiny size.  My 3 pounder has slipped kneecaps (luxating patellas) and so far this year has cost me over $1200 in vet bills for hernia repairs and pulling of her baby teeth.  Some time in the future she will likely need knee replacement surgery.  Do I wish I hadn't gotten her?  No way!  I knew what I was getting into and decided I was willing and able to spend the money.  Do I think everyone should do it?  No way!  My 5 pounder is not so slim, has no health problems and no genetic problems.  She's not as close to breed standards, her forehead slopes too much, her muzzle is too long and her ears are set just a bit too high on her head.  Do I wish I hadn't gotten her?  No Way!  She's just as adorable and adoring as her sister.  

 

Answer by kelly
Submitted on 9/27/2003
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yes, there is such a thing as a deer.  it's a deer-headed chi.  We have one. They don't have such a round head and the eyes are not as pertruding.

 

Answer by laura
Submitted on 10/2/2003
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yes, we have a chihuahua called Gary, yea his name is gary and i always thought that he didn't look like a normal chi. i was getting aggervated cause i didn't know why, but then i found out he was a special breed known as a deer-headed chihuahua. but he's very cute, smart and sausey; i love him so much.

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 10/9/2003
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I repeat, there is No Such Thing as a Deer Chihuahua.  All chihuahuas are one breed, chihuahua.  Some have a more apple-headed appearance, some are slimmer and more closely resemble miniature deer, some have longer muzzles and more sloping foreheads and more resemble pinchers, some are tiny, but they are all just chihuahuas.  

Most of these departures from breed standard are the result of breeders who do not attempt to keep their dogs as close as possible to the AKC or UKC breed standard.  That doesn't mean they aren't wonderful lovely dogs, they may even be AKC registered and/or purebred, but they are still the same breed.  They should cost less than a show-quality dog.

Terms such as teacup, deer, miniature, etc. are often used by unscrupulous breeders to justify charging more money for so-called rare sub-breeds.  The only chihuahua which can be justifiably priced higher is if it is a rare color known as blue, can be shown to be free of genetic defects and/or is a proven winner in the show ring.

Chihuahuas are also known for having great differences in temperament.  It's not like other breeds, such as hounds, where you can usually fairly reliably predict what they'll be like.  Just as with human children, a chihuahua will grow up to be its own individual.  Large specimens can be sassy outgoing and playful, smaller specimens can be very mellow and sedentary, or vice versus.  There is no real correlation between body composition and temperaments.  You never know what you'll get, although there are hints in puppyhood.  That's one reason it is so often stressed that you should not purchase a chihuahua sight unseen.  They live for up to 20+ years with good care, if you want a peppy puppy and get a couch potato, you're in for a long two decades.  

The definitive source for information on this topic is the AKC, or the book Chihuahuas for Dummies, which is highly recommended as one of the best sources of information on these adorable little creatures.

 

Answer by Amy
Submitted on 10/11/2003
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yeah your right, they are not a separate thing, but its a name to distinguish why some chi's look different,
we have a 'deer head' ears lower to the sides, eyes smaller.
apple, have immense heads
and teacup.. well you get it.
they are all the same.. just chis, chi's differ.. they should NOT cost different from each other.. or anything like that, as a breed they are not recognized as different types..

 

Answer by Pam
Submitted on 10/19/2003
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Yes, there is such a thing as a "Deer" Chihuahua.  My first experience with it was when I saved one from the pound.  I literaly saved him.  He was tagged as unadoptable because of his temperment. They are very head strong and sometimes untrainable.  

They still retain most of the charecteristics of the "Apple Heads" but are different in temperment.  They are (as said before) HEAD STRONG!!  They do what they want, when they want, and where they want!  They are no less loving or inteligent. They still like to hide food or treats for later use (or not).  They still love to burrow under covers.  They are still loyal to their parents (owners).  

They remind me of teenagers.  Trying to be adults but not knowing how.

My new "Deer" is just too cute but very difficult to reason with.  I will not purchase another Deer Chihuahua again, if I live long enough to do so.

I grew up with "Apple Heads" which were the only kind of Chihuahua's there were back then.  They were the best dog in the world.  Even my Vet confurmed my thoughts on this subject.  

 

Answer by chimama, who is disgusted
Submitted on 10/22/2003
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All right, I give up trying to educate people.  

Just because I have spent years researching the breed and working with breeders to help them breed the best dogs conforming to AKC breed standard and weeding out genetic defects, that doesn't mean I know anything.

Just because I have spent years working with owners and prospective owners to help them find the dog that best fits them (sometimes talking them out of a chihuahua) and then train the dog to behave well and like it doesn't mean anything either.

I will say that not all 'Deer' chihuahuas are headstrong, and not all 'Appleheads' are easily trainable.  Each chihuahua has its own temperament.  

It isn't fair to brand an entire group of dogs as difficult because of their appearance any more than it is to say that all people of African descent have rhythm, all people of European descent who drive pickup trucks are stupid, all people of Asian descent are good at math or all people of Hispanic descent are lazy.

The best chihuahua for one person may be the worst for another, it all depends on the temperament of the dog and the temperament of the human, regardless of their appearances.

 

Answer by Pam
Submitted on 10/22/2003
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I understand the fact that "chimama" has a knowledge of the Chihuahua breed.  I also understand that there are many breeders in the United States not in the AKC (thank God!) who have produced the type of Chihuahua that has been categorized as a "Deer Chihuahua".  The term "Deer Headed" is another new term to describe these mutants (yes I know you object to that term). They resemble a deer in all ways, not just the head.

I also have been able to train dogs of many breeds and I realize all "animals" have their own temperaments. Even our children and spouses are trained how to treat us. (Quote from Dr. Phil)

Case in point, the tiger that hurt Roy in Las Vegas had no intention of hurting him. If he did, he would have killed him right
then and there. He was actually trying to rescue or help Roy, who he felt was in trouble.  That tiger can never be tamed.  He could be and was trained to respect and obey his "friend or family".

Forgive me, I digress. It is true that people should be aware of the the breed of the Chihuahua as a whole.  That includes the type "nicknamed" Deer Chihuahua and the older type "nicknamed" Apple Head Chihuahua.
It is also important to realize that you will not know the temperament of the animal until it is several months old and by then it could be a difficult situation.  Most people adopt their "friends and companions" while they are very young (6-8 weeks).  I even adopted my Chi Chi at 3 months.  She did not show her temperament for another 2 months. (I also adopted a German Shepherd at 3 months and he was different when he was older.)

I love Chiquita and can't fathom a life without her now.  But I am not blind to her characteristics and temperament. No one, especially me, is a expert on pets and their personalities.  They are all different and we only have to accept them and love them for who they are. I can say though, that my experience tells me I would rather have an "Apple Head" Chihuahua in the future.

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 10/23/2003
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Thank you, that's all I've been trying to get across.  You were able to do so in a more gracious manner than I was, I appreciate all your correspondence.

Happy chihuahua owners?

 

Answer by retlaw55
Submitted on 10/27/2003
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the way chimama sees it a chihuahua is a chihuahua is a chihuahua.no matter what they look like or act like.if you follow this line of thinking,then they are all dogs,four legs and fur chihuahuas,german shepherds,and greyhounds no difference

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 10/28/2003
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I suspect you might have taken my opinion too far toward the extreme.

Yes, all chihuahuas are dogs.  All german shepherds are dogs.  All greyhounds are dogs.  But all dogs are not chihuahuas, or german shepherds or greyhounds.  Each is a different and distinct breed within the species Canine.  Each has different breed standards and different purposes for which they were bred.  

Chihuahuas are members of the Toy group, their job is to provide companionship.  German Shepherds are members of the Working group, their job is to provide defense.  Greyhounds are, I believe, members of the non-sporting or non-working group, along with other breeds which do not fit into the other six distinct groups recognized by the AKC.

According to the AKC, all chihuahuas are of the breed Chihuahua, the only breakdown is long-coated vs short-coated, which is a fairly recent distinction.  Teacup, miniature, apple-head, deerhead, etc. are not different breeds, they are descriptions of differences in appearance among members of the breed chihuahua.  

Similarly, greyhounds are all greyhounds and german shepherds are all german shepherds whether they are solid color, parti-color or brindle.  

There are legitimately different breeds of poodles based upon size (Standard, Miniature and Toy) with distinct standards of size and weight between each.  But even within those breeds, differences in appearance do not constitute different breeds.

What upsets me is when the terms Teacup, etc. are used to try to get higher prices when selling chihuahua puppies, saying that they are a different breed of chihuahua, and thus more rare or more valuable.  

I believe all dogs are valuable, whether they have apple-shaped heads, floppy ears, long legs, fluffy tails or flat faces.  

 

Answer by Cathy Alexander
Submitted on 10/29/2003
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well i just got a blue looking chi, looks like a deer, its white and tan blue looking. I grew up with a "apple head" chi, and she was with us for many years, her name was candy, which we loved dearly. Gracie the new deer looking chi, is only 6 months old, and is huge looking, with really long legs and long body, i should have named her stretch.
I am dissapointed, because i really wanted her to look like a "apple head" chi, but we will love her forever, its too late now! shes very smart, but very stubborn. I found her on the dinner table a few minutes ago, but when i told her to kennel up. she responded very well, we got her late 3 months old. But she learned to go poddy outside very soon. But i wish she was "apple head" shame on me!!!, and was not so long looking. shes my ugly duckling! lol, up next to my little 8 week old pom ! But she loves me dearly and i love her color.     Cathy

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 10/31/2003
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My second baby, Nixie, looks more like a German Shepherd in the face, and is longer of body than my first baby, the adorable apple-headed Gremlin.  I was a little disappointed too, but I should have known since I saw her parents and siblings from previous litters.  

But after a few months, I realized that I had stopped comparing her to her sister, and began to love her for herself.  She is more shy than her sister, definitely Beta even though she at 5 pounds weighs almost twice what Gremlin does.  She is my cuddle-puppy, and I wouldn't trade her for the most perfect pup of breed standard.

 

Answer by Pam
Submitted on 10/31/2003
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Hi Cathy,

I too had an "apple head" while growing up (see my comments above).  I agree with you 100%.  They are very stubborn but lovable and smart at the same time.  My Chiquita is only 3 lbs at 6 mos. so is not really big, but she is still different from my "apple head". The long legs and thin long body are really different from what I was used to also.  I will love her with all my heart but was hoping to get another "apple head".  Will have to be more careful in the future.  It looks like our favorite "apple heads" are very hard to come by now.  Wish they hadn't changed the breed so much.


 

Answer by Sparky's Dad
Submitted on 11/11/2003
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I am glad I found this thread.  We saw our first so-called Deer Chihuahua this morning on the way to work.  The reason this is interesting to me is that I am fascinated by the variety found in this one breed.  
Sparky is a long hair with a white coat and blue eyes.  He has chocolate patches of longer hair.  His face looks just like "Gizmo" from Gremlins.  Sparky is 13 pounds.  
We freaked when Sparky kept growing.  After all we paid almost a thousand dollars for this purebreed dog.  His papers show a championship lineage.  But, AKC says that Chihuahua's can't be over 6 pounds.  I thought we had a fake.  AKC standards are very specific.  We love Sparky but he is big.  
Well now I see that Chihuahua's do NOT conform to AKC standards.  The breed has a very wide range of variations.  Some of which, I think, should be officially recognized.  My understanding now is that some purebred Chi's can be up to 20LBS!!!!  My neighbor has one of those tiny 2.5 pounders.  
The AKC may not recognize the variations.  (England at least recognizes Long coat and short coat separately)  But, Chihuahua owners certainly seem to.  
Thanks for this discussion folks.  

Sparky'sDad

 

Answer by barbara
Submitted on 11/18/2003
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Thank you Sparky'sDad.  You've answered a lot of my questions about my Sparky. She is almost 16 lbs, short hair, white with chocolate patches and tired of being called a chihuahua on steroids. Now I can say she is a deer chihuahua. Thank you.

 

Answer by kdc2005
Submitted on 11/19/2003
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Hi everyone.I have never had a dog before, and I have recently decided that I want a chihuahua as my pet. I discovered that I tend to like the longer legged,longer snout "deer" type chihuahua. I particularly fell in love with a gorgeous white with fawn spots girl. She is about 4 months old, and weighs in at around 3lbs. At this rate, do you think that she will become a "chihuahua on steroids" type? I don't want an extremely tiny 2.5 pounder, but rather i desire a chi at around 6-7 lbs. Have those of you with deer type chi's noticed any analogies between a deer type chihuahua and enormous size? let me know. Thanks!

 

Answer by Pam
Submitted on 11/19/2003
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Hi all,

The fact that your Chi is large does not make it a "Deer" Chihuahua.  I have found that the "Apple Head", the "Long Haired", and the "Deer" Chi's all have their own  specific look and temperament.

Apple heads tend to be short, stocky, bug eyed with ears wide spread.  They usually are no more than 6 lbs and do not like to socialize.  Although I have seen this type to be much larger or much smaller in recent years.    

Long hairs seem to be a bit larger and look more like a Pom.  I have actually seen them that you could not tell if they were a Chi or Pom. They socialize a bit better than Apple Heads. They tend to be less than 10-12 lbs.  

The Deer is much smaller weight wise (like the apple head) with long legs. They have a long, slim body.  They are much more hyper and friendlier than the other two but just as smart.  I also find they socialize pretty well if allowed to meet a lot of different people.  This type really looks like a Rat Terrier.  I have been ask many times if my Chiquita is a Rat Terrier.  

They all have those sweet, watery eyes that can melt your heart. They love to snuggle under covers and hide their "treasures". These can be food, chew bones, raw hide, pig ears (their favorite!) or toys.

I feel like a Chi that weights 3 lbs at 4 months should not get very much larger if not over fed.

And last but not least, remember every Chi (or any other animal) will have their own personality!

 

Answer by Asia
Submitted on 11/20/2003
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Hello fellow chihuahua owners! I have owned a few dogs in the past, all of which have been deceased for some years now due to old age. After being in my new house which has a pretty roomy yard and space for a dog, i have decided I want a new dog. I'm set on the chi as the breed for me, they are the spunkiest and cutest little things. However, i searched my entire area vainly for that perfect chi. I have fallen in love with one on a breeder's website, and i have spoken to the breeder and she seems alright. The chi is a deer style. She is in California. I live in New York. Does anyone have any experience with shipping and out of state breeders that would speak against my decision to purchase this dog?

 

Answer by pchamp01
Submitted on 11/28/2003
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I recently adopted a "deer" Chihuahua from the local humane society.  Terri is a five year old Chihuahua that looks similar to a Miniature Pinscher or what is known as a "deer" Chihuahua.  She has the best personality.  She is wonderful with kids of all ages.  Terri is the perfect "lap dog" when we're indoors.  She has lots of energy when I go walking.  I'm glad I have my below AKC standards Chihuahua.  I wouldn't trade her for anything.

 

Answer by azs_sassy1
Submitted on 12/2/2003
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I was given a chi a couple months ago which I found out was a deer chi and I really do not agree with what people are saying about their temperment.  He is so smart and lovable and very well socialized.  I have been around the smaller ones and I find them to be quite nippy and wouldn't trust them around small children at all.  I would not ever consider owning the small ones from what I've experienced in the past.

 

Answer by Pam
Submitted on 12/4/2003
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Hi Asia,

I personally have not had a pet shipped.  I have, however, known people who have.  They seem to feel that the shipping has a negative effect on their loved one.  It doesn't seem to be a long lasting effect in some, but has been bad for others.

I have no direct answer to your question, but I personally would not want to get my friend this way.  I'm sure is you will be patient, you will find your friend closer to home and not have to worry about any side effects of travel in this manner.

Good luck on what ever your decision is.

 

Answer by Pam
Submitted on 12/4/2003
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It's really (not) funny how many "Deer Chis" are adopted from shelters.  Does this have a meaning?  I think so.

It seems that people who purchase or adopt this type of Chi doesn't really want this type of Chi.  

I hope that in the future, people will think about what they really want and not settle for less.

 

Answer by azs_sassy1
Submitted on 12/6/2003
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In defense of the "deer chi", just because they are not up to AKC standard doesn't mean anything if you are looking for a loving pet, and that goes for any breed.  I personally find the "deer chis" much more visually appealing than the appleheads and you can't even imagine the amount of people I run into when I walk him or take him somewhere that ask me what type of dog he is and when I tell them a chihuahua they say "Oh I've never seen one his color or size.  He is gorgeous...where did you get him?", and he only weighs 7lbs full grown.  He just has that sleeker, slimmer look about him then the short cobby look of the appleheads.

 

Answer by manic-mommy
Submitted on 12/16/2003
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Can you tell me about my new baby. My vet says he is an apple head. He is 4 months old and weighs almost a pound. He is my baby doll.

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 12/22/2003
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To comment on several earlier posts, my experience has been that whatever size a chi is at around 4 months, they will end up 1 1/2 to 2 times that weight when fully grown.  

The AKC standard to me looks like they've had their necks compressed, I like the longer necked look.  My Gremlin looks like a little cream and tan fawn, my Nixie looks like a min-pin puppy.  They each have their own unique personalities, as do all the chi's I know, however I haven't seen that they conform to a specific personality based on their physical characteristics.

I would not recommend having your puppy shipped.  Would you have your human infant adopted from another state shipped to you?  On the web or phone, people can be whatever they want, you need to see in person the people who bred your puppy, how it was raised, its parents and siblings, etc.  A reputable breeder also wants to meet you face to face and make sure their puppy is going to a good home.  You need to make sure you and the puppy are a good fit, else you can be in for a very long 20 years with a dog who doesn't suit you, it's not fair to the dog.

 

Answer by Blaine
Submitted on 12/26/2003
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You all just need to stop. These dogs no matter what you call them are the most loving, loyal dogs ever. Yes some people pay more than others for the so called Deer or Apple but that is their fault not ours. These dogs need special loving care.

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 12/29/2003
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I agree.

 

Answer by Gabriels_GIrl
Submitted on 1/4/2004
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Hello, I have a 2 1/2 year old deer chihuahua. She is just the sweetest thing in the world. She has very long legs, erect ears, and a curled up tail. I would really love to breed her with a similar looking deer chihuahua. I live in Central California. If you know of anyone who would want to breed their deer chihuahua please let me know. thank you.

Sandy

p.s. bassdrum_babe@sbcglobal.net

 

Answer by cass
Submitted on 1/4/2004
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yes,because i have a 3 year old deer chihuahua they are like minature greyhounds except a different color they are bigger than a regular chihuahua, they have long lanky legs and look like a chihuahua in the face.

 

Answer by Robbygoe
Submitted on 1/5/2004
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I love deer chihuahuas. And I do understand the AKC doesn't recognize them as a different breed, and maybe they shouldn't. But that doesn't mean that they don't exsist. AKC is not god , just an organization. The AKC doesn't recognize alot of dog breeds from around the world. That doesn't mean that they don't exist. And If we do want to label them as deer chihuahuas that's kind of our right. I love them and we need to call them something to distingish the varient. So please don't say there is no such thing. My dog is the sweetest thing, here is a pic on my online journal.
http://journals.aol.com/robbygoe/RobbysJournal/entries/153

 

Answer by Penny
Submitted on 1/18/2004
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I thought I was buying a traditional body-type Chihuahua, but at 8 months Jazzy is very long, very tall, sometimes runs like a deer (bounces on her front feet w/ head way up in the air). She burrows, is highly energetic and very set in her ways. For instance she wants to lie beside me-never be in my lap and HATES to be picked up. Anyway, I love her for who she is. Apparently Chihuahuas vary more than I ever imagined. So, here's to difference.

 

Answer by Sarah
Submitted on 1/24/2004
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Yea, there is such thing as a deer chihuahua. I have 1. She is brown, and  a year old. Her name is Tinker. So, all you people that say "deer" chihuahuas don't exist...you're wrong. They do exist.

 

Answer by doglvr66
Submitted on 1/27/2004
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I have three dogs, a Springer Spaniel (just an old, lazy carpet ornament) a Brittany and a Chi.  I always thought I was a larger dog type person.  Hercules has completely changed me!  I've been scanning the deer vs. apple conv's'here and had already been told that my 16 lb. little darling was called a "deer" type.  His ears are even large and don't stand up!  He loves his Brittany Brother and they are completely inseparable, however, Herk is a lap dog and the most wonderful "teeny tiny boy" (atleast to us)I could have hoped for.  He is the epitomy of the mutant chihuahua and I love him even more for it!  Atleast we don't worry about stepping on him!  He rules the roost when it comes to the other dogs and they just let him - after all, what option do they have???

 

Answer by Nismo300ztt4me
Submitted on 1/27/2004
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OK, I have a "Deer-legged" Chihuahua. She is a year old. When we got her the person she was given to us by had told me that she was called a deer legged chi. That was the first time I have heard of that. So I have no idea if there is such a thing.

 

Answer by Fiddler
Submitted on 1/27/2004
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We just got a 9- month old Chihuahua that resembles the "miniature pinscher) that pchamp01 described back in 11-2003.  We named her "Cha- Cha," because the first thing we noticed about her is that she will dance in circles if you hold her treat up high. She is easily trainable, and loads of fun. She can jump higher than any dog I've ever seen. She runs like the wind. She is also more stubborn than any creature I've ever known, including dogs, my wife and our two daughters. (And, that's a LOAD of stubbornness to exceed!) I don't care if she's a Deer Chihuahua or not. We just love her.

 

Answer by doglvr66
Submitted on 1/28/2004
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I was also told by a vet, no less that my Hercules was a "deer legged" chihuahua, which over time, has become a "deer" chihuahua.  At 9 months and 16 lbs, he is just perfect the way he is!  Stubborn as everyone else seems to say seems to be part of the breed - deer or not!  But that face with those eyes looking at you saying "I'm not listening" just melt the heart and how can you be mad???

 

Answer by sandy
Submitted on 1/31/2004
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I live in Balto Md I have 2 deerheads brother and sister,they are 14months old ,the girl nina is 5lb,the boy Kutchum is alittle over 5lbs.They both like kids over the age of 9 and like girls better then boys maybe because they dont jump around as much.

 

Answer by Rose.Red
Submitted on 2/4/2004
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Hi everyone!  I'm new to this group.  Just wanted to say that in Aug. 2003 we rescued a wonderful little chi.  At the time, we were told he is a chi mix, but now, I realize that our little gem is a deer chi!  He looks like a little 8lb. minpin.  Actually, his colouring looks like a German Shepherd more than anything.  He's got the long legs, long body, long tail, almond-shaped eyes, long muzzle, but he doesn't have the stubborn streak that so many of you have described.  He's not stubborn at all, in fact!  He's our wonderful, loving cuddle-bunny!  Why he was found wandering the streets of Montreal with no identification is beyond me!  I would never, ever let my little Tico go!!!  Ever!  

 

Answer by Mona
Submitted on 2/4/2004
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There are little chihuahua's called the deer type, they have longer slim leg's as the deer's do, their little head is slinder and big eye's as the little deer's have, some little chihuahua's  are shorter and have what we call coby little leg's and more husky ,

 

Answer by Will B in PS
Submitted on 2/6/2004
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i rescued "Oscar" a 16lb 18 month old deer chi exactly one year ago. i enjoyed this thread a lot; it is nice to know there are similar dogs out there that share his traits. these dogs are smart and extremely devoted to their owners. with training they make great pets. he's the best dog i have ever had.

 

Answer by Eileen Ikuta
Submitted on 2/6/2004
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Hello there!  I'm so glad to find you ALL!!!  I have a 2 1/2 yr. old Deer Chihuahua named Tater Tot.  I've been reading all of your posts and it sounds like everything I've been experiencing for the last 10 months.  "What kind of dog is that?"  "He's pretty big for a Chihuahua isn't he?"  "I hate Chihuahuas, but he's so cute!!!!"  "I'm so shocked how good he is with people...Chihuahuas tend to be nippy and nasty..."  "Wow!  What long legs he has, he looks like a supermodel..."  "Wow!  What a loud bark he has..."  and the list goes on.  People kept telling me that he wasn't a Chihuahua but instead was a  Chi/Jack Russell mix since I got him from a shelter.  Both my parents can't stand Apple Heads and LOVE my little deer Chi!!!  I met tons of Chi owners and several mentioned that Tater Tot was a "Deer Chihuahua".  I haven't been able to find out much info.  (Believe me, I've read lots of books and there's no mention in Chis for Dummies)  I'm finally glad that I found you all.  Do any of you owners have Chis with allergies?  My Deer is allergic to chicken, turkey, corn, wheat, and soy and ironically enough...has to eat venison (DEER---eeek!) and potatoes...hee hee...his name is Tater Tot.         Hope to hear more interesting tales from you all soon!!!  
                      Love,
                      Tater Tot's Mommy

 

Answer by Nancy
Submitted on 2/9/2004
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I also have a Deer Chi.  I have never owned a Chi and my last dog was a Min. Schnauzer.  We named him "Clutch", he is 9 months old and 10 pounds. Smart and stubborn.  he knows what he is suppose to do but looks at you and barks at you instead and then does what he is asked.  He is too funny.  He is White with dark brown spots.  His head looks like a doberman, dark brown with the tan eyebrows.  When I took him to the vet they did not believe he was a Chi, but I know the mother and father.  He las the long legs, very long ears that stand up, and he does resemble a deer when running.  People seem to think he is a rat terrier.  Anyway, I was very surprised when he reached 10 pounds.  I hope he doesn't get too much bigger as he is a house dog.

 

Answer by KT
Submitted on 2/9/2004
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I got what I now know is a deer chi at a shelter a week ago.  He is the sweetest, most obedient dog I have ever known, not at all stubborn or nippy.  He is around 2yrs old and was found stray in Los Angeles.  There were other chis at the shelter where I got him.  Consider looking at a shelter before going to a breeder.  You will save a life and a lot of money.

 

Answer by Saunyarae
Submitted on 2/13/2004
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I just bought a chihuahua in October.  She is the greatest but she is only six months old and already eight pounds.  She is not fat at all.  As she matures I am beginning to think that her body shape is a lot more like my Rat terrier.  Her legs and body are lean and long.  Her head has the more deer shape than the apple.  I started to question if she was indeed a pure breed chihuahua despite the fact that she came with papers.  When I took her back to the person I bought her from and showed her (Rosie my chi) to him he said that she is a deer chihuahua.  So my question is, "Is it possible or am I being duped?"  I don't wantto breed her and sell her pups as pure breeds even if I could get away with it if it isn't true.  Does anyone have advice or know of where I can get more information?  Thanks!

 

Answer by tiki & paco's mama
Submitted on 3/2/2004
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this question isn't really getting answered at all. Everyone has a different opinion on whether or not a deer chihuahua exists. As far as I'm concerned, the only difference is, is whether the dog is short snouted with non-protruding eyes or if it's longer snouted , has bulging eyes or one or the other. My 4-year old female, Tiki, has an apple head , short snout and big bulging eyes. My year old male, Paco has little beady eyes, also apple headed, but with a somewhat longer snout. To me they are the cutest , most precious babies in the world, but the AKC would never recognize them as purebred. By the way, does anyone know anything about the fontanel (a soft spot on the top of the head) that some chihuahuas have?  

 

Answer by salsamild
Submitted on 3/3/2004
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This is NOT a matter of opinion!  Why is it so difficult to understand that there are officially only two kinds of Chihuahuas - long haired or short haired.  "Deer Chihuahua" is just a description used for a certain type of Chihuahua -  generally one with a longer snout, legs and body.  "Applehead" is also just a description.  The apple shaped head and shorter, stouter body conforms to AKC standards.  It is certainly possible to have a purebred that does not conform to ideal standards in various respects.  I think we all understand this does not decrease their potential to be loving, loyal pets.  I personally do not think they should be bred if they do not conform but many people will breed any purebred.

 

Answer by Olivas
Submitted on 3/5/2004
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Dear Salsamild, your opinion on breeding should have come with a little more thought. It just sounds ignorant to say only chihuahuas of a certain  standard are worthy of life. If human existance were subjected to those same ideals, I doubt you Salsamild, would be around to offer your truely idiotic opinion. By the way, I think a chihuahua is a chihuahua, some just look different.

 

Answer by Chico's Madre
Submitted on 3/5/2004
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I am so glad I found this thread! My Chico is 3 1/2 months old and 4 pounds. I got him for Christmas and he is the best present I have ever gotten! I have never had a Chihuahua or even a little dog before. Let me tell you, I LOVE my baby!! Everyone is always asking, "What kind of dog is he?" LOL! Now I know what is going on! My friend at work is always saying,"He lopes like a deer!" LOL! I thought I had a mixed breed. Personally I don't care that I don't have a breed standard Chi. He is really smart and I love him dearly. Over last weekend I took him visiting my family and two people asked me if he was a deer chihuahua. That is what prompted me to look it up! I guess he is....He is an absolute doll and wasn't at all hard to train. I was expecting the apple head, but I don't care at all!!  These dogs are the best no matter what shaped head they have!!
Chico's mom

 

Answer by jesy
Submitted on 3/5/2004
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i have one so back off

 

Answer by metaurus
Submitted on 3/7/2004
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  Hi All!
Your conversation has been very interesting as for years I bred German Shepard’s and two years ago picked up a Chi in Florida for my mother.  Her dog was old and had gotten sick not long after mom had been diagnosed with breast cancer.  We knew she needed something small due to having to lift, needed to be easy to take care of and a real snuggler, so Tina fit the bill.  After I brought Tina home we found out mom's dog, Kelly, was sick because when she licked mom, she ingested the chemo that leached through mom’s skin.  So I kept Tina.  Like most of you, my husband & I didn't like chi’s, as all the ones we had come in contact with were yappy and snippy with attitude problems.  (By the way they were all the "bug eyed" short snout, long and smooth coat with a body that was usually too fat for their size that we came across this way.  I think the owners overfed them) Tina changed our minds so much that when my last German Shepard female died of old age a few months after I got her, I decided to try breeding chi's.  I did a lot of research and might be able to clear up some of the confusion you are all expressing.  The "deer" type chi's you are describing are the style of chi's that used to be prevalent in the 1920's to early 1950's and if you look at the pictures of the AKC show winners of that time you will find that body type.  Somewhere over the years the judges started preferring the current more "cobby" body with a deep "apple head" type with, it seems, as short of a nose as they can get. They also seem to have a smaller ear with a slightly different shape that our "deer" type friends.  You know how it is when some new look comes along - everybody hops on the bandwagon.  My chi is a 5 1/2 lb. dark hershey chocolate coat with black sabling over the top of her body from her head to the tip of her tail, smooth coat that has a modified domed head with long "radar" type ears, the long slender legs and longer slender body than the "cobby" type body and a nose that is 1/2 the size of her head, which according to TODAY'sAKC standard is too long.  She is AKC though.  It took me a year to find a stud that had the look I wanted but I chose an AKC 3 lb tri-color "apple head" deer-eyed "cobby" black body with small slender legs and Tina's great personality.  The results are very interesting.  We had three pups - 2 boys and one girl.  The oldest - a fawn (blonde) boy looks just like his mother and weighed in at 5.9 oz which should put him at 5.9-6.0 lb as an adult according to the breeder who has the father.  She's been breeding Chi's for the last 15 years.  The second one - a girl -weighed in at 3.0 oz which should be 3.0 to 3 1/2 lb at adult with a sable brown coat with black markings and white boots, thinner body but not as long in proportion as her mother and has the thin legs with a small nose but a higher doomed head than mom.  The third one weighed in at 4.8 oz (so should be 4.8 to 5 1/2 lb) is the spitting image of dad except he got mom's shaped and large sized ears with his small thinner legs and shorter "cobby body".  They are 3 1/2 months right now and will be going to their new homes in two weeks except the last one.  I'm hoping to show and stud him, especially with the responses I've received when I've taken him with me to some of the shows from other judges as they've passed me. (I'm looking for another stud for Tina, as she will come in heat again in two months).  The point is AKC has changed the visual not actual definition of the preferred "show" Chi over the years.  If you read the description used except for those chi's that have grown past the 6 lb max limit most of our precious ones fit the description they use " apple-shaped head and big moist eyes".  Most all of the breeders I've talked to tell me that they all have pups from various litters that exceed the 6 lb AKC standard at one time or another.
If you look at a German Shepard their head could NOT be said to be apple-shaped but even most "deer" type chi's have an apple shape to it, as well as, "deer" eyes and "bug" eyes are both "moist eyes".
The public needs to let AKC know that both body types are good quality chi's.  They've been trying to make the current look the "standard" for chi's but the breeders I've talked to can't seem to consistently reproduce the same look in their breeding except for the deer type look which could mean the current preferred look is not the only one in the genes.  They keep trying to get the "perfect" chi to have a very short nose, which has really been detrimental to the animal.  It's actually causing breathing problems that the breed didn't experience as much before as well as dental (teeth) problems that the breed never had before.  I thought the goal was to improve them not cause problems.  We need to go back to the early drawings in the pyramids in Mexico and Central America to look at the early drawings and pictures of them from as far back as we can find to judge the real look of the breed. Another alternative is to all join CKC and start our own shows as I think Tina as well as many of your pets if you were interested in it should win just as many ribbons as Tina's son might.  

 

Answer by marie
Submitted on 3/10/2004
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i found my deer chi at the pound as a "stray".  he was very thin and had very little coat left. weight was about 7 lbs.  he is now up to about 9 lbs.  had the vet check him out and the vet said he was a "keeper". he is fawn colored with some cream color, tight curled tail, long legs, pointed nose.  we have never had a potty training problem as we put in a doggie door and fenced yard.  he is a "sprinter", jumps and runs, so we are VERY cautious and always have him on a leash.  i believe that is why he was picked up as a stray, however, he is now with a micro-chip. he is extremly friendly, loves kids, high energy , sensitive (both feelings and stomach). he has to have things his way, needs constant companionship, definitely a lap dog, loves his chair bed, loves to sleep in the sun,loves to ride in the car. he howls and crys when we are outside without him.  he has grown his hair back, but he still has a sensitive stomach.  the vet put him on Science diet for sensitve stomachs, he is doing better, but still has bad breath some days, that's the days i know he has "reflux" days.  he is sooo lovable and sweet. i am so happy he has come into my life, he is truly a "keeper".

 

Answer by Stejen
Submitted on 3/19/2004
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I just found out that there was a breed called Deer Chihuahua because everyone that saw our little dog that we have had for the last 4 months have said that she was a "Mut".  A mixture between chihuahua and weener dog or what you might call a "chaweener".  I would like to look up pictures of other Deer Chihuahuas to see if there are any resemblances.  She also runs through the yard and looks just like a deer.  She is a fawn color with light tan and white mixture.  She does not have bulgy eyes and she is long and lean with very long legs.  She probably doesn't weigh over 3 or 4 pounds and her nose is longer.  

 

Answer by dobyblu
Submitted on 3/23/2004
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I have enjoyed reading everyone's response to the "deer head" chi.  My family has breed
chihuahuas since 1962.  My "deer-head", Trinket is currently expecting her fourth litter.  The father is an "apple head".

In my years of experience, AKC may not recongize the difference between the two.  But there is definately one.  I am sure as you all know, all dogs have started out this way.  At some point in time, I believe there will be distinctions between chihuahuas.

In summary, "deer-heads" are larger in size
(mine is 8 1/2 lbs.).  Longer body, snout is longer.  The obvious is the deer shaped
head and the ears that usually extend longer than the "apple".  You will usually notice the eyes do not protude as much and
sometimes can vary in color.

I do not charge anymore for my "deer heads"
then I do for my "apples".  In addition, when I find new familiies for my babies (8 weeks), it is almost impossible to tell if
the pup will be an "apple" or a "deer".

The temperment?  Absolute difference.  "Deers" are more stubborn, but their loyality to one person in the house is the usual.  "Apples" can love everyone in the family at once, but tend to be more anti-social with company.  In the end, you love them all the same.

In closing, before I am attacked.  I do agree that a Chihuahua is a Chihuahua.  But the style difference is what is being discussed, not the breed.


 

Answer by zachrissy
Submitted on 3/30/2004
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Just because a certain chihuahua is not AKC or CKC recognized, does not mean they don't exist!
There are such things as deer and apple-head chihuahua's  And there are such things as pocket chis, toys, teacups, and even tiny teacups.  
I wish people would just quit trying to argue that these dogs don't exist, when they clearly do.  
Just because they aren't AKC, doesn't mean they aren't as good as the kennel clubs "standards".  They are probably better.

 

Answer by dobyblu
Submitted on 4/1/2004
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I am glad that there is now realization
that their are different varieties of
Chihuahua.  I do want to make one
point though, it seems that if a
person has a "Deer Head", that it would
not be AKC registered.  Very untrue.
All of my dogs are AKC registered.
However, those of you with registered
Chihuahua's know that AKC will not
list whether it is a "Deer Head", "Apple"
and so on.

I just want to clarify that if you end
up with a "Deer" that you purchased as
AKC registered.  You were not ripped-off.
It is a style difference only.

If you are set on a "Apple" only.  Look
at that parents of the pup.  If one is
"Deer" and the other "Apple".  Obviously
a 50/50 chance.  However, even if you
purchase from parents that are both
"Apple", there is no guarantee that you
will not end up with a "Deer".  Because
AKC does not recognize the style
difference in Chihuahuas, it is impossible
to know what is behind the parents of
your pup.

My 8 1/2 lb. "Deer", Trinket, came from
a 5 lb, long coat Dam and a 4lb. long
coat Sire.  But because all of these
dogs are within my Family line, I am
aware that Trinket's Grandmother (Dam
side), is a 9 lb. "Deer".  Trinket
was the only one in that specific litter
that ended up looking like her Grand-
mother.  So you see my point.  If you
are not aware of the parents lineage...
Most people who breed Chihuahua's can
only go so far back.  If you are lucky
enough to find someone who can date back
several generations, than you can ask.
But most breeders do not know.  Again,
because style difference is not
recognized.

 

Answer by Whitney
Submitted on 4/2/2004
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Maybe if you idiots would stop breeding all these unwated pets there wouldn't be so many variations of every animal. Go to petfinder.com and search for chihuahua's(or any breed for that matter) and see how many you find.
FYI-There are 12 million unwanted animals euthanized each year. Spay and neuter you pets.

 

Answer by dobyblu
Submitted on 4/2/2004
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Dear Whitney;

If we discuss "breeding", where would you fall.  Because calling people "idiots" shows your lack of breeding.

I have read over not only my responses, but others as well.
I do not know where you came up with the assumption that "Deer" Chihuahua's are not wanted.

If there are 12 million animals that are being "diposed of" each year, than I suggest that you run down to your local Humane Society and begin adopting or volunteering your time, I know I do.

People who breed AKC registered dogs are not the problem Whitney. Let me put it this way, a person who pays 700.00 and up for an animal are less likely to turn it
out on the street than someone who received a "free" dog.

People who let a non-neutered, etc... dog run the streets to breed in an uncontrolled environment.  This is, in part, where a lot of the problem exists.

My heart goes out to those animals, but please direct your anger where it belongs.  To the people who abuse and abandoned these animals that are in our local shelters.

I am sure no one on this site is guilty of this crime.  In fact, I have read a few here who have adopted.


 

Answer by Josh
Submitted on 4/3/2004
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chimana please do us all a favor and shut the f**k up! no one cares ur just an annoying b***h, so keep your information to yourself cause no one wants it!!!!!

 

Answer by dobyblu
Submitted on 4/4/2004
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Dear Josh;

Than why are you on a site that is strictly
for discussion on "Deer Head" Chihuahuas.
Did you get lost?  You must be Whitney's
boyfriend?  I figure about 19?

Was I suppose to be so offended that I would
stop using my right to opinion?  Better
luck next time. If the conversation is bothering
you, than here is a little tip, leave the site.

Oh, they do have medication for people
with your type of problem.  Try something
called Clozapine.  Several patients have
had positive results.  I am sure that
you will too.  Good Luck!

It has been fun. However, I am done with
acknowledging your existence.

To the original point at hand.  Does anyone
have anymore information that they would
like to share on their dog experiences?  
I would love to read about them.

  

 

Answer by sassy's mom
Submitted on 4/6/2004
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I purchased a chihuahua last august.  I was told at the time that she was more valuable because she was a "teacup". She also did not have the bulgy eyes and big head.  I was told this was a sign of higher breeding also.  Boy, was I shocked to read the past post on this site.  I am surprised that I was so easily duped.  Nonetheless, I do have a wonderful, sweet, stubborn, precious,loving,spoiled, 3 1/2 lb. "deer" chihuahua.  She might not be a different, better, breed because she is a "deer", but, she is such a dear to us.  

 

Answer by Jennifer
Submitted on 4/11/2004
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Hey if any of you know any one that has chihuahuas for sale in orange county, I would glady appreciate if you would email me at Lildevil4evr@aol.com and tell me how much they are looking for. Thanx muches! LaTeR

 

Answer by tequila's mommy
Submitted on 4/11/2004
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i'mglad to have found this  site. i have found all of your comments and thoughts very intersting. i have i guess what would be called a :deer: chi by some, but she is just a chi to me. i was kinda disappointed when i noticed she was getting alot bigger then what i had expected, and didnt quite look like most of the dogs i had ever seen. i even at one point wondered if she was a pure breed. but theres no doubt she is, and even though i understand there isnt a "deer" breed, its comforting to know that there is a chi description that matches my doggy. chimama thank you for the educational pieces, i learned a bit today :-)

 

Answer by Ouida
Submitted on 4/12/2004
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Does anyone have a Chi (mine is deer-like) with the collapsed tracea?  My doctor told me to give her  novahistine when she is having bad days.  She only gasps for air aproximately once a week and not but for a few seconds.  But is is a frightening thing for her to go thru and for us to watch her helplessly.  Thanks.

 

Answer by Mickey
Submitted on 4/13/2004
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We adopted a chi in October 2003- he is 8 months old- his name is Grunt.  He is about 9 pounds now- and has the deer type body, coloring and long legs and no apple head or too buggy eyes.  The breeder said his dogs do not get more than 3 or 4 pounds- but Grunt has shown him up.  Ha ha.  Grunt is very sweet- he was only 1.5 pounds at 9 weeks old when we adopted him. I researched about chi's before we got him.  I love him.   He is not as "smart" as our doxie/rat terrier mix-- but he is a good boy.  He obeys me, but can be stubborn with hubby and kids.  But when I step in, he does what he is told.  He clings to me like glue.  He loves to play with Sampson- our doxie mix who is 20 pounds.  I have taught him to sit, shake, and a little of stay, and to stand pretty for treats. He is 98% potty trained.  He's a lover.  He loves to bark, at everything.  Sometimes, Sampson gets tired of hearing him bark and he will "talk and howl" to Grunt to make him quiet down.  They both get along with the cat too-- and now that I just brought home (Thursday) a 10 week old puppy-Cookie- half English cocker and half doxie-who is 7.5 lbs- it is a zoo around here.  The pup and Grunt have a little sharing of toys and me issue - but they are getting better- the pup is very "female" in wanting her way and all his toys and food... and Sampson tries to break them up-- Grunt is very tolerant of the pup and knows she will get used to everything soon enough.  All chi's are adorable to me... and even though Grunt has almost outgrown my lap- he is the best little chi we could ever hope for-- he loves to give kisses and loves to snuggle... It's too quiet, so I better check on all of them.. good luck to all.

 

Answer by Maggy%5
Submitted on 4/21/2004
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I really am glad that I found this site! I have a 9 lb. "deer".  When she was 8 wks. of age I took her for her first shot.  It was a new vet to our family.  He told
us that he did not think that our Maggy was full Chi..  I was confused, because I was very familiar with the family that I purchased her from.  I also saw both
parents and my little girl is AKC registered.

I brought her to the breeder and asked why the vet thought that Maggy was not full Chihuahua.  The breed explained to me that our little girl would be a "deer".  They showed us pictures of the grandfather (who was placed with the breeder's parents).

At first I was upset because I did not think that there was any other type of Chihuahua other than the standard "apple" with the buggy eyes.  But in my research I found that they do exist and actually Chihuahuas started out this way.  When AKC and such became involved, that is when the acceptable style changed.  So really the "deer" is the original style.  It was human influence
that confused things, not "bad breeding".

Anyway, I am happy to say that my friendship with this breeder continues to this day and I have since found a different Vet.  This one happens to have heard of the "deer" style.  She actually turned me on to the research.

I think if more of us spoke up, then there would be more acceptance of this style.  

Five years later, we are still in love with Maggy, she is the light of our lives!

Thank you for this site, it was a real treat.

 

Answer by Maggy
Submitted on 4/21/2004
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I really am glad that I found this site! I have a 9 lb. "deer".  When she was 8 wks. of age I took her for her first shot.  It was a new vet to our family.  He told
us that he did not think that our Maggy was full Chi..  I was confused, because I was very familiar with the family that I purchased her from.  I also saw both
parents and my little girl is AKC registered.

I brought her to the breeder and asked why the vet thought that Maggy was not full Chihuahua.  The breed explained to me that our little girl would be a "deer".  They showed us pictures of the grandfather (who was placed with the breeder's parents).

At first I was upset because I did not think that there was any other type of Chihuahua other than the standard "apple" with the buggy eyes.  But in my research I found that they do exist and actually Chihuahuas started out this way.  When AKC and such became involved, that is when the acceptable style changed.  So really the "deer" is the original style.  It was human influence
that confused things, not "bad breeding".

Anyway, I am happy to say that my friendship with this breeder continues to this day and I have since found a different Vet.  This one happens to have heard of the "deer" style.  She actually turned me on to the research.

I think if more of us spoke up, then there would be more acceptance of this style.  

Five years later, we are still in love with Maggy,
she is the light of our lives!

Thank you for this site, it was a real treat.

 

Answer by sirzelli
Submitted on 4/24/2004
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Chimama:

My dog is a deer-resembling blue chihuahua. He has very shiny tan fur, with an intermingling of dark gray fur, and his eyes are an unusual goldish color. I'm wondering how common eye-color variations are, because every other chihuahua I've seen had solid-color, opaque-looking dark eyes. I'm thinking of breeding my dog, and would love to find another dog with eyes similar to his. Any ideas?

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 4/29/2004
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I think what you have may be rather rare, as it sounds like he's a blue chihuahua.  Yes, they exist, just like fawn, ivory, black-and-tan, brindle, etc.

Blue chihuahuas are quite rare, because the color is hard to get, it requires a specific combination of genes.  The eyes as you describe them match that too.

FYI, I have an 2 1/2 pound ivory with a gold stripe from middle of head to end of tail, her eyes are dark and glow red in the light.  She has physical characteristics of both apple-head and deer, and because of her small size is often referred to as a teacup.  My other chi is a 4 pound classic black and tan with white chest, feet and tail tip, her eyes are dark and glow teal blue in the light.  Her nose is too long and forehead too sloped to qualify as an AKC show-quality, but then I think they are getting too 'short nosed stubby necked'.

 

Answer by Animal Lover
Submitted on 5/8/2004
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I'm new to this site, but found it looking for info about my dogs.  I have 2 Chihuahuas that I recently got.  They are long hair and are brother and sister.  Micky is solid fawn, but Minnie is fawn with black on her face and black "frosting" over her back.  Don't know anything about "apple" or "deer" but I agree that Chihuahua is only one breed but can have different looks.  The same is true of all animals including people.  Think about it, there are several races of people just as there are different breeds of dogs.  Within each people race, for example Anglo, all the individuals look different, but that doesn't mean they are a different race.  Hmmmm.

 

Answer by scarlet
Submitted on 5/8/2004
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So how much is a Dear Chihuahua anyway?  I'd like to buy one....that is if they areall exists:)

 

Answer by kt
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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y r deer chi.called that

 

Answer by Chinut™
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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I'll throw some wood on the fire!  The point of this whole discussion is:  yes, Chis come in all shapes and sizes and temperaments.  What no one has specifically said is:  Deer chihuahuas do not conform to AKC standard.  Thus, they don't win in conformation.  

The AKC has a standard for every breed of dog.  These standards are decided upon by a diverse group of breeders, judges, etc.  The standard is reviewed (and possibly revised) on a routine schedule.  The standard exists as the "blueprint" for the particular type of purebred dog.  The standard is the epitome of the breed.  Only dogs that closely resemble the standard should be bred.  If owners of purebreds who deviate from the standard continue to breed them, the deviations become more pronounced.  Eventually you will get a dog who does not look like what the standard says this particular dog should look like.

Are they still Chihuahuas?  Yes.  Are they still lovable?  Yes.  Do they still need a home?  Yes.  Is the deer chihuahua a different breed of Chihuahua?  No.  The term is used to describe body or face type, such as you would describe a person as big boned, oblong face, square jaw, etc.  However, within the "breed" of human, let's even go so far as to say of Northern European descent, we do not say the big boned square jaw humans are a different breed from the small boned, large forehead humans.

The AKC standard, or "blueprint" says (I'm just high lighting pieces here) "A well balanced little dog NOT TO EXCEED 6 lbs.  Disqualification:  Any dog over 6 pounds in weight.....Head -  A well rounded "apple dome" skull, with or without molera.  Expression - Saucy ...Muzzle - Moderately short, slightly pointed.  Cheeks and jaws lean..."  The standard goes on to describe body, topline, neck, forequarters, hindquarters, coat, color and gait.

Why all this description?  Why be so concerned with how a dog looks?  "To someone who doesn't understand dog showing it may appear that it is just a "beauty contest". Actually, the dogs are being judged on a lot more than just their pretty faces. They are being judged on their correct movement, size and structure. A dog that is correctly conformed moves correctly and efficiently, therefore using less energy. It's fine to have a hunting dog that has all the instincts, but if its conformation isn't correct it will burn too much energy moving and won't be able to hunt as long as a dog that is correctly conformed. Also, if someone is truly interested in breeding good working dogs then testing for hereditary problems takes on just that much more importance. What good is a herding dog with great working abilities if it has hip dysplasia and can hardly get up and walk? There is a saying around the dog fancy that "form follows function". This proves itself to be true time and time again with an increasing number of dogs achieving both conformation show degrees and working titles. As for the politics in dog shows, yes, it is there. Just as it is in any activity where a large number of people are involved in competition. Politics can be found every where from the African Violet Society, to the Little League games to the kennel club dog shows. While there are a few "bad apples", the vast majority of dog show judges are out there to judge the dogs to the best of their ability. "  

So if the dog doesn't conform to the standard?  They are still lovable companions, but they should only be pets, NOT breeding stock.  Enough pet quality pups are produced from serious breeders to supply the demand.  "Backyard breeders" or people who breed because they happen to have two dogs with AKC papers produce dogs who deviate farther from the standard and possibly have genetic defects such as collapsing trachea, slipping patella, heart murmurs (and yes, well bed dogs can have these problems, too, but a responsible breeder will not continue a breed line that contains genetic defects.)

I know I get wordy, but another way to think of it is by thinking of horses.  If someone breeds Palominos (the gold colored horse with the white mane and tail) and happen for some strange genetic reason, to get a black horse with gold mane and tail, it is still a horse.  And it actually came from Palomino parents.  But the breeder does not start saying, "Oh, it's just a different Palomino breed - a black Palomino".

We fanciers of the Chihuahua breed are just trying to keep the public informed about breeding because it's important to us to keep the Chihuahua true to it's heritage.  Chis are the only NATURALLY OCCURRING toy breed, the smallest breed and the only native North American breed.  It has a heritage surrounded in mystery, but once they showed up, they have become one of the top 20 favorite dogs.

I do not breed, but I have 6 wonderful, not conformationally correct Chis, ranging from 3 lbs. to 9 lbs. (and the largest one is the dog with the distinguished pedigree - but genetics threw her a loop, lol!)

To those that have rescued a Chi - Thank you!  To those that want to purchase a Chi, please do not be duped into paying more money for a "teacup" or a "deer" or a "cobby".  This is a breeder trying to impress you with labels to take more money from your pocket...

 

Answer by Kaci's Mom
Submitted on 5/10/2004
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I have a question about obesity in Chi's and I was hoping that someone out there could shed some light.  I have a sweet 3 year old "apple head" chi that weighs 10 lbs!!!  I feed her Light Science Diet and walk her about 1/2 a mile a night, and it doesen't seem to make a difference. I have really cut down on her "snacks" and only feed her a pinch of light turkey once or twice a day.  I am desperate to help her, but I just don't know what to do.  She has luxating patellas and I am so afraid that she is going to have multiple health problems some day if I can't get her slimmed down. My vet has been no help. Help!

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 5/11/2004
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Is she actually overweight?  Does she have a pot belly, is she round like a sausage, does she have a healthy 'tuck up' between her rib cage and her private parts?  If she's well proportioned and not overweight, there's not much you can do except starve her to be unhealthily thin.  That would be much worse than leaving her weight where it is, as long as it's appropriate for her composition.

I have two chi's, one is 2 1/2 pounds and built like a supermodel, thin and sleek.  Her sister (by adoption only) is 4 pounds and more sturdily built.  Both are healthy, full of energy and appropriate weight.  If I tried to get my larger dog to weigh less, she would become unhealthy.  

Maybe you need to investigate changing veterinarians?  If the vet says she's overweight but can't give you ideas to help her lose it, lose the vet.  But, if your vet is happy with her weight, and you're sure she's overweight, try to find a vet that has experience with toy breeds in general, chihuahuas in particular.  

Luxating patellas can be an issue, keeping dogs with that problem from becoming overweight is the best thing you can do for them.  Increase exercise and/or reduce food, but I would be concerned about reducing food too much, since chi's have such tiny tummies as it is.  Feed at least twice a day, so she doesn't have to gulp down as much as she can 'cause she knows she's not going to get anymore.  I'm lucky, both of mine have been free-fed all their lives and neither is interested in eating once they're full, no matter how much I coax them.

Depending on the degree of luxation, it may not be a problem until she is quite old, or it may affect her much sooner.  Regular exercise is also good, playing fetch or keep-away is also healthy and can help her reduce her weight.  Do be careful not to let her jump from heights, that's hard on anyone's knees.

 

Answer by tina
Submitted on 5/12/2004
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Hello. I adopted a cute chihuahua from a lady who had rescued the mom from a puppy mill breeder. The mom and dad were both AKC registered chi's and cute as a button. I saw the other puppies in the litter and they all looked the same. The mom was a bit longer and taller than the daddy. My problem is that I have a husband who insists that our little Polly isn't a chihuahua because she doesn't have the "bug eyes" and look like the taco bell dog. He had a "deer" chihuahua when he was younger and that is what a chihuahua looks like to him. Thank God I found this web site so I can tell him there are chihuahua'sof all shapes and sizes. PS we got her to be my daughters companion and although she has "papers" I don't care. I am having her spayed ASAP. She's an adorable puppy with a great personality and we are looking forward to spending lots of time with her.

 

Answer by Bruiser'sMyBaby
Submitted on 5/14/2004
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I just bought the absolutely most adorable puppy in the world from a pet store yesterday, we have his first vet visit today, my question is: The owner of the store said that neither of his parents were even 5lbs, and that him would be very small...otherwise, I wouldn't have paid $800 for him...don't get me wrong, he's gorgeous and don't have any regrets, he is also a "deer-head", they weren't sure, but at 11 wks. old that's what it looks like to me.  He weights just over a pound right now (11 wks.) Does anyone have a clue as to the size he'll reach as an adult?  I had no clue he was gonna be bigger than the normal "apple chihuahuas"...someone please help!@!!!!

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 5/18/2004
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He'll probably top out at between 3 and 4 pounds, just a guess.  I've found that usually, whatever a dog weighs at 4 months, double that and you'll be close

 

Answer by Nancy
Submitted on 5/19/2004
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I have enjoyed reading about the "deer head" chihuahuas.  I got my baby at the animal shelter (someone said why are so many of these dogs abandoned?).  She weighed less than 2 pounds at six weeks and was very sick with kennel cough.  After spending more than buying her would have been in vet fees, she finally was well and BOY DID SHE START TO THRIVE!!!.  She is now six months old and weighs 19 pounds.  I was told at the shelter she was a mixed breed, but her bone structure and stance is beautiful.  Just last week our vet said she looks like something called a deer head chi.  Thank you so much for all your comments.  You have described her personality and her looks.  She is fawn colored and "prances" through the back yard.  She is loving and very smart.  I can say, Peaches, where is your sock and she will go and find it.  Or I will say, Leave me alone and go bother Daddy for a while....and she is off to bother my husband.  Thanks a lot.

 

Answer by Venado
Submitted on 5/25/2004
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Is there anyone out there who knows of someone interested in breeding with a "deer" chihuahau - female - in the Chicago area?

 

Answer by lulu
Submitted on 5/28/2004
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I bought in Mexico two sister Chis that the lady said they were Chocolates and deer legged. They have very long legs and are elegant looking, both have great temperaments and personalities.  They do differ a little. One has a clef nose(darling) the other is slim and can run like the wind. I didn't realize that there were only one type of Chihuahua. Who decides which features should be the breed standard? (And what gives them the right to do so?)
Lulu

 

Answer by ShorelineChis
Submitted on 5/30/2004
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Hello,

This conversation has been going on for quite some time... but I thought I would add my opinion anyway.  The reality is that there is a lot of variation in the Chihuahua breed because people have done a lot of crossing to other toy breeds (ie; Poms and paps for coat).  A lot of these "deer" type chihuahuas and others "types" who look just like a __________(fill in breed).  Are usually puppy mill dogs, where dogs are bred together to sell with no thought given to the breed standard.  Here it is if interested http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/chihua.cfm

Point is... unless you are interested in showing or breeding the standard is not important to how much you love your pet.  But if your dog does not come close to the standard... you should think long and hard, if your dog should contribute to the next generation of Chihuahuas.  

 

Answer by Talktothemouse
Submitted on 6/6/2004
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I have a deer type chihuahua.  I had in mind to get more of a typical looking one when I was looking.  She was a gift and I hadn't seen one like her before.  I have decided that I prefer this I would like to have one litter of puppies and want to have them be the same shape.  If I find a male that is a deer type, will that assure that the puppies will also be that type?  If the male is not a deer type would the puppies have a chance of being either type?

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 6/7/2004
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What is your reason for wanting to have a litter?  If you want to own more chihuahuas, there are many who need good homes and would be much more economical than going to the expense of breeding.

Breeding chihuahuas is not for amateurs, even experienced breeders sometimes lose the dam and/or the litter.  The vet bills are very high, as they dog must be seen frequently throughout the pregnancy and often requires veterinary care to deliver the pups.

Without a detailed description of the background of both dogs, going back several generations, you cannot assume that a dog of any given body type will produce true (have pups that look like the parents).

 

Answer by MILKDUD JELLYBEAN
Submitted on 6/13/2004
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YES THERE IS SUCH THING AS A DEER HEAD CHIHUAHUA I HAVE ONE NAMED MOJO. HE IS  LONGER THAN ALOT OF OTHER CHIHUAHUAS AND HAS NOT AS  ROUNDED HEAD

 

Answer by Trezure's Mom
Submitted on 6/13/2004
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I have 4 apple dome headed chi's 2 brindles, 1 blue and a cream. I wouldn't have a deer headed chi because they do not conform to breed standards.I love all 4 of these tiny little creatures. None of mine weighs over 6 lbs. They are just absolutely beautiful.

 

Answer by Andre
Submitted on 6/15/2004
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I was happy to read all of the above information on "deer" chihuahuas.  We just got a 4 month old, 5 pound white deer chihuahua from a pet rescue center (lots of chihuahuas were available.  He is extremely mellow and seems to follow commands easily.  Will his personality change as he gets older?  I like him the way he is now.

 

Answer by chilover
Submitted on 6/15/2004
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Hello everyone, I need some advice. I have always loved Chihuahuas and owned one prior to my nephew's birth. Now he's four, and he and his mom lives with our family. I'm interested on owning one of these wonderful dogs again, but I hear that Chis are not suited to children at all. Does this mean that I will have to give up my dream of having a vivacious little Chi? Please help, I will appreciate your feedback.

 

Answer by doglvr66
Submitted on 6/18/2004
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Chilover -
I would not hesitate to get a chi.  If your nephew is now 4 he is able to understand instruction and guidance.  I would not suggest a "teacup" or one with exceptionally small parents, however, if you bring in a pup, and train your nephew right along side your pup, you should be fine.  I was told before I got mine that they did not like other breeds, and I brought him home - no bigger than a second, and let my 3 older and much larger spaniels "raise" him - he's a tough cookie but also the most loyal loving "brother" to them you can imagine!  I think there is something to them being obstinate and picky as a breed, but your environment will have so much bearing on how your chi turns out.  For that reason, I would highly suggest a younger pup and let your nephew have a very high level of involvement with helping raise the pup.  GOOD LUCK!  CHI'sROCK!!!

 

Answer by doglvr66
Submitted on 6/18/2004
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Chilover -
I would not hesitate to get a chi.  If your nephew is now 4 he is able to understand instruction and guidance.  I would not suggest a "teacup" or one with exceptionally small parents, however, if you bring in a pup, and train your nephew right along side your pup, you should be fine.  I was told before I got mine that they did not like other breeds, and I brought him home - no bigger than a second, and let my 3 older and much larger spaniels "raise" him - he's a tough cookie but also the most loyal loving "brother" to them you can imagine!  I think there is something to them being obstinate and picky as a breed, but your environment will have so much bearing on how your chi turns out.  For that reason, I would highly suggest a younger pup and let your nephew have a very high level of involvement with helping raise the pup.  GOOD LUCK!  CHI'sROCK!!!

 

Answer by Lucy's mom
Submitted on 6/18/2004
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We found a little mixed breed or so we thought she was.  I heard on the radio someone describing our Lucy as a 'deer chi'.  I don't care what her breed is.  Someone let her out with no id, no collar, etc.  We took her in, had her spayed and LOVE her.  She is about 5 yrs, so says the vet. Our 13 yr old Cairn loves her.  We are so happy we have her. Thanks for all the info on the breed!

 

Answer by chilover
Submitted on 6/20/2004
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Thanks for your advice, doglvr66. I agree! Chi's do rock!!

 

Answer by animalmadBecca!
Submitted on 6/23/2004
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Hi everyone, my name is Rebecca, I am 14 and I live in the UK. I adore chihuahuas and I am getting one soon, I want one that as an adult will weigh less than 7lbs but more than 4lbs, I was just wondering if that is too small to be around my other dog which is Popsi and she is a seven month old lively border collie. I also have cats. By the way, I love all chihuahuas but the one I prefer is the apple head, I also love teacup chi's but they have big health risks don't they because of there size? PS: I know that deer head and teacup etc. are just nicknames for one breed of dog.

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 6/24/2004
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Andre :  He's quite likely always going to be a mellow dog.  That's not to say you won't have times when his personality changes, think of human 'terrible twos' and the teenage years.  My beta is much more mellow than my alpha, she always was, and once she got to be 1 1/2 years old, she settled into her adult personality.

Chilover : Doglvr66 is right.  I would advise that you never leave the 4 year old alone with the dog, even the best child of either species can get overexcited in play.  Take your nephew with you when you choose a dog, that's the best way to make sure that they will get along, the right dog will almost always pick you.

Animalbadbecca! :  You should be just fine, introduce the chi to the other animals on neutral territory, such as a friend's house.  Let them get to know each other a little bit first, one at a time, then take them all home.  Be careful to give as much attention to your existing animals as you did before, there will probably be some initial dominance issues but as long as there is no biting, blood or loud crying, let them work it out for themselves.  If the pup rolls over, it's showing submission, that's a good thing and should pacify Popsi.  You never know though, the chi may emerge as Alpha dog.

Yes, teacups and smaller specimens tend to have more health issues, you are wise to look for an animal that will be at least 4 pounds.  The best way to assure that is to look at both parents and also at litter mates and/or dogs from other litters with the same parents.  Tell the breeder what you want, they can advise you.  In my alpha's case, both parents were 4+ pounds and her litter mates all ended up right around there, but my little Gremlin is 2 1/2.  I saw that she was the smallest in the litter, and the breeder did tell me that she would likely not get as big as the others.  I was prepared, and yes, she has cost me over 1000 GBP for retained baby teeth and two hernia surgeries (one during her spay).

 

Answer by Yoshis mama
Submitted on 6/28/2004
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Can someone tell me which type my chi is?  He's 5 mo. and weighs 3.8lbs.  He does not have *bug eyes*.  They are normal eyes that do not stand out.  His legs aren't short or long. He has a longer snout than alot of chis with a German Shepherd face.  He has a thin but not skinny body that is about 4 inches longer than he is tall.  He is very lively and active but not hyper.  He get along well with our pit mix and cat. He tolerates children except sometimes my 5yo.  From what I've been reading it seems like he's both types!  Can someone clue me in?  TIA

 

Answer by chimama
Submitted on 6/30/2004
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Don't worry so much about what 'type' of chihuahua you have.  You have a beautiful friendly chihuahua, that's all that matters.  

Deer, applehead, teacup, etc. describe chihuahuas that conform more or less to the official AKC breed standard.  It's quite possible for your particular dog to have characteristics of none, one or many of the variations.

 

Answer by Jazzmama
Submitted on 7/1/2004
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I have a 3 1/2 month old yorkie/chi who currently weighs 8.5 lbs. He is mostly black with tan, short-hair and long snout like his chi mama. He is in solid structure, long-legged, eats like it's his last meal, and great on leash.  My question is--I have two vet differences of opinion--one vet doesn't believe he is yorkie due to his bone structure and the other saw the yorkie in him right away. How solid a bone structure do chihuahuas get and what is the standard range in weight for a chihuahua?  And shouldn't a yorkie shrink his size? Both parents were small (I don't know past this lineage) and between 8 - 10 lbs.

 

Answer by chilover
Submitted on 7/4/2004
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Jazzmama:

I recommend you go to www.geocities.com/shewawas/anikaweghts.html
for all your Chi weight questions.
I presume that the people who publicize this information are experts.

 

Answer by Sherry
Submitted on 7/5/2004
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I just recently found out my chihuahua is a "deer chihuahua."  Petey is beautiful and has such graceful movements, like a deer.  He is black and white and his markings look just like a Boston Terrier.  He has always made me think of a prince.  About a week before Christmas, three years ago, my son heard a dog barking and looked outside.  This little dog was standing by our fence barking.  It was a very cold night so we brought him in the house.  He was housebroken, could follow some commands and would stand on his hind legs and dance in circles if you held a treat up, and he was neutered.  We took him all over the neighborhood trying to find the owner, advertised on the radio and in the newspaper.  No one every claimed him.  Thank goodness! About three weeks after we got him the vet called and wanted to know if we wanted to sell him, she had someone that wanted to buy a dog like him.  We said no way! I never wanted a house dog, but I don't know what our family would do without our Petey!  We love him so much.  Petey is my guard dog, he would die trying to protect me from another dog or person.  Everywhere I take him people fall in love with him immediately.  My employees love it when I bring him to work on the way to the groomer.  Their kids even ask about him even though some of them are afraid of other dogs.  The groomers spoil him rotten because they have fallen in love with him, too.  I'm glad to know he is a deer, I've wondered why he looked different than other chihuahuas I see and he is definitely bigger.  He weighs about 10 pounds.  I've read the black and white variety are the choice color combination in Mexico.  I have no idea if that is correct or not.  I would recommend a deer chihuahua to anyone looking for that type dog.  Petey is so loyal, lovable, and only barks when he thinks I need to know something.

 

Answer by Ginny's Mom
Submitted on 7/6/2004
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WOW....... I have a Bullmastiff ..and while at a pet store to buy him some goodies, I fell in love with this tiny pup in the window. After going there 4 times to see her...I BOUGHT HER. I had NEVER owned a Chi before. I guess she is a deer chi (by description....AKC...Chihuahua) She is the best thing I have ever done. Ginger is her name and at 1 1/2 years, she is 3.8 lbs. She is also a long-haired Chi. She is smart, loyal, alert, spunky, lovable...and did I mention precious. Personalities are personalities.....! I pray I get 20 years with her.....she truly is a gift!!!!! I am sad that some are disappointed in their "deer-type"......! Mine is wonderful....I'm sure yours is too....give them a chance. You can't compare...that would be like comparing children...they are all different!!!!!

 

Answer by silvia
Submitted on 7/9/2004
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i know that this has nothing to do with the topics of the previous questions but i have been trying to find an answer to my questions and i can't seem to find one i was hoping somebody here might be able to help me.i have two dalmations. Brothers and sisters. I try to keep them apart when she is in heat  but when i arrived home from work one afternoon they were mating in my backyard. She had her puppies about 1 week ago and two of the puppies are all black. Does anybody know why this is?

 

Answer by ~Myra~
Submitted on 7/9/2004
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Does anybody know of a site where I could see pics of the deer head and the apple head? I just want to see the difference in both types of heads.

 

Answer by joanne
Submitted on 7/11/2004
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i have a question i was hoping that someone might be able to answer it. I have a 2 year old Beagle and she had just began to go into another one of her heat cycles. I also have a male St bernard. He is not neutered. He keeps trying to mount my beagle. The other day i came home and they were  mating. she is know pregnant how can i stop this from happening in the future.





 

Answer by jacklyn
Submitted on 7/11/2004
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i have two chihuahuas they are both 3yrs old and they are brothers and sisters. When she is in heat i try to seperate them but when i came home from work one evening they were mating. She had her puppies about a week ago and one is missing a leg does anybody know why???

 

Answer by chilover
Submitted on 7/13/2004
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I have a question:

Does anyone believe in free feeding Chihuahua puppies, or having set feeding times each day and taking the bowl away when they're done? I've heard that free feeding is bad when housebreaking, but which method is better?

 

Answer by chihuahualover
Submitted on 7/13/2004
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at what age can i start breeding my chihuahuas

 

Answer by Ashley
Submitted on 7/13/2004
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Hey Everyone, okay for one thing Yes there is such a thing as a Deer Chihuahua I personally have a Miniature Mexican Deer Chihuahua  she is pure bred and a doll. She is a little temperate when it comes to babies (due to grabbing and pinching) but never bites. I have owned a toy poodle, miniature Schnauzer, and now my Deer Chi. So yes for those who wonder THERE IS SUCH A THING AS DEER CHI'S AND I DON"T LIKE PEOPLE CALLING THEM APPLE HEADED AND SUCH makes em sound retarded. But yes my puppies family and her have long thin legs, not as pertruded eyes, erect ears, she looks like a little Grey hound. Cheers. . ..

 

Answer by stephanie
Submitted on 7/15/2004
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can someone please hekp me i have a Chihuahua and whenever she is in heat she keeps attacking my male greyhound. Of corse she doesnt hurt him but she does bite him and i am afraid he will try and hurt her back. does anybody have any advice on how i can stop her from doing this???

 

Answer by Amy
Submitted on 8/6/2004
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Can someone confirm for me what type Paris Hilton's chihuahua tinkerbell is?  Deer or Apple head?

 

Answer by miss_mk
Submitted on 8/11/2004
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as a disabled person, i find my sophie-grace the best companion, very smart and obedient. she is pad trained and will poddy outside but not on a regular basis. if anyone has a tip on how to improve this all are welcome. mine is definitely a 'dear'..    

 

Answer by VelvetPurr
Submitted on 8/14/2004
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We have one chocolate male applehead named Sammy,he is hilarious,my husband Wally can get him so wound up he will "attack" his arm when he smacks his own chest...We also have two sisters,who are so interesting..Both of them are brindle,and are deer chihuahua/rat terrier mixes...Veronica,the eldest,who is 2,looks just like a deer chihuahua,or as my grandmother affectionately said,she looks like a miniature greyhound...Kira,who is 12 week old now,looks totally different,she actually looks like a miniature pitbull..*lol*She also thinks she's 10 feet tall &  bulletproof,& is even more adventurous(if that's possible..*lol*) than her big sister...

 

Answer by bettymae
Submitted on 8/18/2004
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I just fly a 11 week old chi pup to another state yesterday and got a phone call from the people who said that when they reached in the kennel and pulled the pup out he bit them. And they are afraid of him now. This pup was very sweet lovable bundle of joy before I shipped him. I have shipped before with out any problem. Has any one ever shipped and had a problem like this?? She is now trying to say he has a mean Gen in him. Never showed any thing like that here.  Any advice??  I will never ship again.   What could have happened?  Has anyone ever had this happen when they shipped???

 

Answer by AmbersMum
Submitted on 8/20/2004
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I just discovered this link and I'm shocked!  I came across my 20 month old Chi at this sketchy boarding kennel where she was supposed to be used for breeding.  I was convinced she was a Chi/Italian Greyhound cross and have been up until yesterday!  Now I'm thinking she's possibly a Deer Chi!  Oh, how my world has been turned upside down. ;) This whole debate is very interesting.

My possible Deer Chi is named Amber due to her overall reddish/tan colouring and pink nose.  She's stubborn as hell...very bossy...and has the super model legs and a little upscoop in her tummy area (hence my thinking that she had an Italian Greyhound body!)  People generally think she's a Min Pin.

She also has the collapsing trachea (someone mentioned that).  It's very scary to watch her gasp.  Our vet said that, when they have an attack, you need to pick them up and put their nose down.  That seems to work.  I also got her a harness that does not pull on her neck.

Question, though:  do you not think that maybe the Deer Chi variation was derived when someone bred a small Chi and an Italian Greyhound together?  Many breeds out there started as a mixture and then continued on by breeding similar mixes to each other.  It was probably a selective breeding decision at some point in the past...?

 

Answer by frecklez
Submitted on 8/21/2004
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Hey everyone, I am really thinking about getting a chi. but i was wondering....is there any difference between apple heads and deer heads besides their appearence? i heard apple heads are much more head strong and more of a trouble maker. is this true? i just need to know which is right for me. if anyone can help me please e mail me at frecklez_14@yahoo.com     thankyou!

 

Answer by WicTion
Submitted on 8/25/2004
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Hello everyone!  I would just like to know one thing... is it true that a Chihuahua with an "Apple" shaped head has more health problems/risks than a Chihuahua with a "Deer" shaped head?  I am looking into buying a Chihuahua for the first time and was told to only get the type with a "Deer" shape because the "Apple" type retain more water on their brains... but after reading most of this page, I find myself leaning more towards the "Apple" headed Chihuahua.  PLEASE!!! help me with this.  ~  Thank you for your time!  Have a great day/night!  ~

 

Answer by Ashley
Submitted on 8/26/2004
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My Chihuahua had a hysterectomy a few months ago due to tumors in her Uterus. But I remember what it was like when she would get into heat. I've never hear of one attacking another dog because of it but yes I suppose it can happen. Maybe if there is some way to keep them separate would be a good idea. AND CHIMIMA FOR ONE THING YOU GO OFF SAYING OH YEAH THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A BLUE CHIHUAHUA BUT NOT A DEER CHIHUAHUA WHAT THE CRAP YES THERE IS ANS TOY, TEACUP AND SUCH ARE NOT MADE UP I KNOW MANY PROFESSIONAL DOG BREEDERS THAT KNOW MORE THAN YOU SO GET OVER YOURSELF AND TELLING PEOPLE WRONG
cheers. . . .

 

Answer by sassy19
Submitted on 9/7/2004
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In reply to Jacklyn with the question about her brother and sister chihuahuas mating and having a puppy born missing a leg.  It is called inbreeding!  And what you are doing is very disgusting and wrong!  Your puppies will have all kinds of problems from tepmperment to physical problems.  You should be very ashamed of what you have allowed to happen.  You need to have your female or male or both spayed and neutered.  People like you are the reason we have unhealthy dogs, too many unwanted dogs,etc.  I can not believe I am reading what you wrote and allowed to happen.  That is just commen sense if you ask me.  I mean what do you think would happen if you had children with your brother?  Come on now!

 

Answer by scooby32
Submitted on 9/8/2004
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Ok, I read all the above post on chihuahuas, and I see all the point's being made. But, I have a chihuahua, actual sitting in my lap as we speak.(lol) I will say temperament of a chihuahua is all on how you raise it. I have to children young in age. I have raise my chihuahua with them since he was 4 moths old. I do not alienate him from the rest of the family. I let the children hold him, and my husband comes home every night and plays with him for and hour. He is very well behaved, he is not snappy,and he does not have a temper. He is the most graceful dog I ever had. Out of a pit,rott,springer,and lasa. I think this dog was the best decision I ever made. My husband feels the same. He never liked dogs, until we got Tiny. Now he wants to get another one (applehead). He wants to begin breeding them. I love my dog, and I do not believe they become tempered on there own. I believe that if one person in the household baby's the dog then he/she will be most likely to have a temper towards others. I also feel if you let the dog run your household then the dog will have a temper towards you too. I feel its how you raise your dog. Some people feel they have done nothing to make there dog have a temper, but trust me. Nine times out of ten you have and dont know it. You can not let your dog, poop in one spot and change the spot 4 months later.(sort of speak) You have to lay down the law from the beginning no matter how tiny and cute they are. It seems when a dog is a puppy, it does not get as punished. When they start to grow then all of the sudden theres rules. You can't do that. I have made this mistake to many times to know.

 

Answer by Tonyt
Submitted on 9/9/2004
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In the 12 years I have been married, I always told my wife I loved all dogs except chis and poodles. 8 months ago she decided to teach me a lesson (I didn't like ferrets either, but, after a similar lesson now own 2 and would never be without one)by bringing home a chi pup. Not sure how, but this is now my favorite dog and we have since adopted another. They both get along with our Yorkie, German Spitz and even the ferrets. Trinkit looks like a deer, but bottom line is, she is a member of the family and "breeds" are just a name tag so you can tell people what she is if they ask.

 

Answer by Teresa
Submitted on 9/10/2004
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I agree that there should be separate categories of Chihuahua's just so the potential owner will know what they are getting.  I too have noticed that Chihuahuas with deer shaped heads have longer bodies, longer legs are more active than the traditional apple heads.  I think the Deer headed ones grow larger in general too.  Of course both of these types make wonderful pets.  But since there are such obvious differences, why doesn't the AKC reconize this????

 

Answer by bev
Submitted on 9/11/2004
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My chihuahua has a apple head. he is 8weeks and the vet sed he weighs 3lb.
I know this is big. what is he going to weigh when fully grown. ?

 

Answer by Rod
Submitted on 9/15/2004
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I believe (owning two chihuahua's that their should be different breed'sof chi's, and i know that their isn't, but just like humans, you have big headed 6'5" 250 lbs adults, and small headed 5'2" 145 lb'ers If we can start seperating and recognizing the different size, in lbs and height, head shape, and coat lenghs, we can better serve our fellow chihuahua lovers into the exact size/coat they want. i know both my chi's are short haired but one of them the 6 1/2 lbs Chico has his hair length of about 1". The smaller "deerhead" male of 4 1/2 lbs his hair is alot thinner and is onlt 1/4" long. they are both same age but different bloodlines.

 

Answer by tuffy's mama
Submitted on 9/15/2004
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In April our family bought a chi puppy. The pet store owner knew her parents and she is a pure bred. My daughter insisted on a chi. I never liked them. Well, even this old dog has learned a new trick. I love this little girl. She looks just like a little deer. She is smaller than most people are saying their "deers" are. I think she may top out between 5-6lbs. She likes most people, but is my dog. She is stubborn, but very smart. She seems to understand most of what I say to her. People always ask me what type of dog she is. When I say chi, they don't believe me. Most people really do not like the "regular" looking chi's. I have almost 1 person a day who tells me "I don't likes chi's but I would have one if it looked and acted like yours". So to all of those "blue bloods" out there, get off your high horse. These little cuties are actually more popular with the general population. I don't breed or show, most people don't. We get a dog to be part of our family. We want one that can sit on our laps and isn't nippy. That seems to be what you get with the "deers". So enjoy your dog for what they are. Would you get rid of your children if they didn't meet show standards? My children range from very dark to very light and I love all of them and hope each one has children. So it is with my dogs. Although, I don't breed generally, I may my Chi, because of her sweet personality and for that reason only.

 

Answer by kee
Submitted on 9/17/2004
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In reading these responses I'm confused. I recently bought a chihuahua that I was later told is a deer type chihuahua but she doesn't look like the ones you all have described.  She is 4 months, 5lbs, long, huge ears,with very short legs.  She does look like a hoping lil rabbit when she runs.  Very adorable and funny.  She doesn't have the long legs.  I was told that she has probably stopped growing.  When I have her out and about some people say that she looks like a miniature pincher because of her colors which I think are cool.  She is black with tan and white markings on the eye brows, chest, snout, and paws.  Help me to understand.

 

Answer by misha
Submitted on 9/18/2004
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MY MOTHER HAS A Chihuahua THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID HE IS A "DEER" BUT I DON'T THINK SO. HE IS ALMOST 4 YEARS OLD. HE HAS SHORT LEGS JUST LIKE MY "APPLE" AND IS EXTREMELY FAT. HARLEY IS BLACK AND BROWN, MARKINGS LIKE THE MINI PIN BUT DEFINATELY NOT. HE PROBABLY WEIGHS 10 LBS MORE THAN MY DOG BELLE. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

 

Answer by tbeasley
Submitted on 9/20/2004
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I want another 'Deer Chi'....I don't care if it is just another Chi......I want one that looks like a deer....Not a deer shepered or a poodle chi....One one of those funny looking ones that look like a deer.....

HELP ME>>>>>>

 

Answer by Trixo
Submitted on 9/20/2004
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My "girl" Trixie looks just like a deer except for the tail.  She is all tan with white tipped paws, long legs, and normal eyes.  Her Dad was an apple headed, short, tan and white spotted guy and her mom was burgandy with long legs, long hair, bug eyes and an apple head.  I got her in rural Washington State.  Her dad was the only male dog on the farm so I ruled out her being a throw-back.  Any way, looks like two apple heads can make a deer head.  She is 1.5 years old and already knows about 10 different tricks.  Must have a big brain for such a small head!

 

Answer by Jen
Submitted on 9/25/2004
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Hi! I have a 10yr old deer chi. We did not know much about chi's when we bought her, but we LOVE her so much! She is about 12lbs, and she's  orangy brown and white. She has quite a temper but is loyal to the end. She even attacked a doberman once.. poor dog.  The thing i will say though about her is, we do not let her stay around my 2yr old niece, she is too nervous for it and tends to get anxious and we are afraid she'll bite her (she's given to vets assistants trips to the doctor for stitches! but they can't say we didn't warn them)  Anyway.. We really enjoy her size because she isn't as fragile. She sleeps with my mom in the bed at night (something you cannot do with the really small type) also.. the one thing we find to be most "deer" like, are her muscles. She is so physically fit! I always tell her i wish i had legs like hers! :) We also have a rescue chi that has congestive heart failure and kidney trouble (they believe she was poisoned) and she weights around 20-22lbs (she looks like a mix between a deer chi and a pott-belly pig)this one has the best temperament of any dog i'i'i've ever seen. She loves life. She allows the niece to roll on her and pull her ears and such and never flinches :) she also sleeps with my mom, with her head on the pillow next to hers. We love them both!!!

 

Answer by Steve
Submitted on 9/28/2004
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My chihuahua is about 9 yrs old and I've had several people say that he looks like a deer but I have never heard of a deer chihuahua as a type of breed of chihuahua. I believe that there are only two types of chihuahua breeds, long hair chihuahua and short hair chihuahua. I've only been able to train my dog the basics like stay, sit, come here, house breaking, but  most the time he reminds me of a cat. He lays on the arm rests of my couch or on my lap. He likes to bark at strangers in hopes that he scares them (which never works) and he has never bitten anyone.

 

Answer by TINYSMOM
Submitted on 10/7/2004
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In response to the people who wrote in about how to keep their dogs from mating when in heat, It is very simple: get your dogs spayed or neutered. It is the responsible thing to do.

 

Answer by Sandy
Submitted on 10/11/2004
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There is a Chihuahua that looks like a deer because they have long ears that are more on top of their head, and longer legs. I have one with papers. The other one has an apple shaped head with ears more on the side of its head and shorter legs.

 

Answer by Quadbaz
Submitted on 10/13/2004
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OK...Let me break the whole term "Deer" Down for you guy's.  

First off, there is not such breed called Deer, Deer Headed or Apple Head Chi.  Now there is a such thing as this being terms for the description of a paticular Chi.  Apple Headed has more of a rounded head and petruding eyes.  Deer Chi has more of a longer snout, and less petrusing eyes, and the tend to have longer legs.

I have a Chi, and he is considered a Deer- Headed Chi because he has a longer snout, and his eyes do not bulge.  But when people ask what kind of Chi he is, I just say he is just a Chi.  

Sorry guy's it is what it is......

Who cares though.....we all still love our little Chis.

 

Answer by Greg
Submitted on 10/16/2004
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I have a 18 month "Deer" Chihuahua he is very stubbern and does what he wants and yet will follow most requests if he has a mind to. He will from time to time leave a little pile in the wrong place for example. He is trying to make some sort of point. I love my little 5 1/2 pount Deerhead, his eyes do bug out more than a rate terrier for example.

 

Answer by jenstar
Submitted on 10/19/2004
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all i have to say is if your chihuahua is sixteen pounds then guess what you just paid way too much for a mixed breed mutt. come on people do your research before you spend 300 or more dollars on a dog!! this is not to say that your chi mix is not the best companion ever, just don't be in denial.

 

Answer by dinky
Submitted on 11/3/2004
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I have an adult chihuahua and she looks just like a mini-deer. She has the colors, the tail, the body shape and all that of a deer. So if we want to call them a deer chihuahua, then let it be.

 

Answer by Olga
Submitted on 11/4/2004
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I have a year old "Deer-type Chihuahua" with a greatest temperament. He is the complete opposite of all that I've been reading above. Sweet, playful, obedient(we took obedience classes together)clean,(he is pad and outdoor trained, depending on the weather.(this makes my life easy)He loves infants, kids, old, young, everyone he meets. Always wants to "kiss" everybody. He is the best watch dog but is not a fighter, only cares about people and all other dogs and animals. So there! Chihuahuas can be wonderful and their shape doesn't matter with regards to temperament. This is something that cannot be foreseen.

 

Answer by jessica
Submitted on 11/14/2004
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pchamp01 that sounds like to me that your dog is a min pin becuse a  min pin looks like a chihuahua ive seen all kinds of min pins and yes there are such things as deer head chihuahua i know cuz i had 2 and i asked the vet and he said that they where deer head chis.

 

Answer by Priestly1
Submitted on 11/28/2004
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  I own a sweet and goofy male Chihuahua. He is 14 weeks old and 90% black with white on his molera, chest, belly and paws. He is Senior Frito L. Bandito. I bought him to be my lil buddy, and I researched the breed years before I got him. His parents are AKC registered and he is pure Chi.
   Now as to "Deer", "Apple", mini, tea and so on and so forth...good grief! I even know folks who believe Chi's are actually rodents raised to look like dogs! Chihuahuas are like any other breed of a species...many ranges in build, weight and look...but the same breed! All these designations are not scientific, but opinions used to sell such animals for higher fees! Facts are facts.
    I own my animals as members of my Family...not for profit or for ribbons....Gee wiz, I hope aliens don't one day pick up humans for such idiotic sport and financial purposes.
    All of us are God's creatures, and should be loved and venerated on this basis. Are there differences between on Chi and another yes. Does this make one more valuable or desirable...no. It is all human egocentricity which creates such artificial designations. Whether 1.3 kg Chi to a whopping 21 lbs Chi, from a large eye's, long eared round headed Chi to small eyes, small earedoval headed Chi...a Chi is a Chi! AKC or not.
     All you need know is if your puppy is healthy, happy and fit.....al small dogs are prone to certain illnesses and physical difficulties due to their inbred physical characteristics.....just like some human types are prone to their own specific illnesses and difficulties (i.e. certain Semites, Asiatics, Africans and Europeans) because of their group's family DNA> just as the myth of human "races" still persists, the fact is we are all of the single human race....many family types, but one race. So too there are many families (breeds) of the species canine, but just one specie. Chihuahuas are a specific family of the Canine Species.....it is a family comprised of many colors, sizes and varied looks....but all are Chihuahuas and All are considered Toy....the rest are mythological designations for human pride, profit and taste. Dogs existed long before registered show clubs and societies came to be for human pride, profit, sport and bragging rights.  Wuff Wuff!
  
        Rt. Rev. +Ken Huffman

 

Answer by kittyjazz
Submitted on 11/28/2004
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I agree with Chimama.  To say an apple-head is this and a deer is that is ridiculous.  Deer is a description, apple-head is a description, not a breed.  Within the Chihuahua breed are variations.  To say that one is headstrong because it has long legs and another is scrappy because it has short legs is so wrong.

 

Answer by iluvdoggies
Submitted on 12/8/2004
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Currently I own one chihuahua and I am also taking care of one for my brother.I also own a mutt, she is Labrador crossed with German Shepherd.I love them all the same.I think chihuahuas are great companions and from the ones I have met I can tell that they are all SPECIAL in their own way.They love to cuddle with you and burrow their way under the covers.Right now I have a boy named Muneco and a girl named Estrellita.Muneco is more out going and almost fearless.Estrellita is more laid-back and cuddly.They both love to play and I love to play with them.I think all dogs are great pets and they all deserve a good home.

 

Answer by SkipSmith
Submitted on 12/16/2004
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Yes, there is such a thing as a deer-headed chihuahua.  I have one.  His little antlers and hooves are sooooo cute!

 

Answer by Tito's Person
Submitted on 12/17/2004
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I rescued a little white/fawn rat that looked like a dog gracefully running down the highway, running on his toes-head up, tail up and curled, like he owned the world, however, he was just about about to be hit by multiple cars. It took me a whole day to fall in love with my little 7-lb Tito. I kept looking at him, thinking he was a mix, because he was so tall (the description of the mix of Jack Russell/Chi mix is perfect). Finally, someone told me I had a Deer Chi, and that made sense, he is taller, slimmer and more graceful looking. I would think is more desirable, because he loves people, but still is a one person dog. He gets along great with my Brittney/Border mix. The only thing that disappointed me about him, was that he was not spayed by his previous owner.  I never thought I would like a Chi, but Tito has converted me.

 

Answer by Bocephus
Submitted on 12/21/2004
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I have a deerhead chihuahua named Feller... I rescued him

 

Answer by FutureChiGirl
Submitted on 12/29/2004
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I am confused.  After reading these posts, it seems like every Chihuahua I see now is a "deer head".  Almost every Chi for sale on the following web site looks like a deer head: http://www.vipchihuahua.com/

Can you all post pics of your deer heads or direct me to web sites where I can see what they look like?  

Thanks!!!

 

Answer by Chi Clarification
Submitted on 1/1/2005
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This F.A.Q's has been a good site for knowing more about Chi's. I now know I have a deer type Chi and I wondered why it was difficult to find other Chi pictures similiar to her. She is a very dainty black and tan with white front socks, so when we go walking everyone stops and talks to us because she is so small and prances along with such elegant carriage, her weight is 2.6lbs. She has a wonderful temperment, loves to burrow in the pillows, plays with the cat 4x her size, is not nippy or yappy and takes living in a house with four children with ease ... although loyal to her family she has a soulmate bond with "me" mom of the household. She loves to sit in puddles of sunshine, follow me everywhere, ride in the car on my shoulder, and cuddle on my lap anytime, I have a chance to sit down. So love your pets for whom they are and quit debating silly issues that really only matter to a select few AKC whom seem to think they know what is best...? Historically man has always been susceptible to trends... lets hope a few slight breed differences does not cause changes we will regret in the future.

 

Answer by Dimita
Submitted on 1/10/2005
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We have a "deer head " chi and she is only 2 lbs. 9 oz. at 3 years old. She is very cuddly but dainty.We have to always look for her before we sit anywhere because she likes to burrow in blankets and stuff. Her face is more like a mini dobie than the rounded heads of the other chis. We wouldn't go with the apple headed for nothing.

 

Answer by kate
Submitted on 1/17/2005
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I am totally smitten with my "deer head" chi, Buddy Lee.  Additionally, I am thrilled that he does NOT have the domed head.  He is my first chi and I am hooked.  He does all the things textbook chis are supposed to do: snuggle, hide treats, bark at the door, snuggle some more, keep the bigger dog and cats in line, ride shotgun on those treats (he checks their hiding spots with great frequency.)  He is also the smartest dog I have ever owned.  He was very easy to potty train as well as teach basic commands.  If I had only one complaint it would be that he is a bit on the aggressive side (from his fathers' side), and somewhat of a food nazi.  Otherwise he is an adorable 5.5 pound fawn colored gift from doggie heaven who is worth every penny I spent getting him, and every penny I am spending on him.  Love is love, whatever the package looks like.

 

Answer by Brittany
Submitted on 1/21/2005
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Yes there is such a thing as a "Deer Head" Chihuahua, they are about to be recognized by AKC. Deer Head have more of a deer appearance and "Apple-Heads" have the rounder heads and bulging eyes. So even though you think you know, you don't. Seriously, there is DEER HEAD Chihuahuas.

 

Answer by Sweet P Chihuahuas
Submitted on 1/22/2005
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I have been reading this page and wondering why everyone is disputing the existence of "deer" chihuahuas while agreeing at the same time.  Just like chimama, I feel that chihuahuas are chihuahuas are chihuahuas.  I have 6 of them.  Paco, Pecker, Puff, Peanut, Punkin & Pretty Princess.  I also have a Chihuahua/Chinese Crested cross named Petey who looks just like a Chihuahua.  Petey is the only one of these 7 that I cannot say "this is a Chihuahua" with any truth.  However, when asked what type of Chihuahuas I have, I answer with "the hairy canine type".  Ask me their weight, color, shape or temperament, and I'd give you a more intelligent answer.  Ask me if I love all of them, pure or cross, and you would get a resounding yes.  I'm not a big fan of the AKC after buying a female who had had her papers "doctored" by a lying, worthless breeder.  Not being correctly informed regarding her bloodlines caused untold trouble.  In my investigation I found the AKC isn't as diligent with breeders as they should be.  This didn't surprise me as I'd heard other horror stories.  All my dogs following that female, except 3, are not papered.  The papers on the other three I tossed in the trash.  Now I just investigate the breeder and have the animal vet-checked myself.

 

Answer by Alisha
Submitted on 2/21/2005
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I have a 7 year old female Deerface Chihuahua, she weighs 10lbs which is weird because taht's what she weighed when she was pregnant with 6 puppies!! I love the way she looks, so sleek and graceful, not short and stalky like the appleheads. I also love the bigger size, those little dogs just don't seem healthy, they always look too skinny. Infact I would of loved it if she was bigger, even though she loves being an arm-baby, carried all the time, my arm falls asleep when I hold her for too long! Deerface/Deerhead Chihuahua's are Great! I am looking to breed my female in march 2005 when she will be in heat. Please e-mail me if you have a Deerface male stud! She's Black and tan with white markings on her chest and front toes. She tends to have 5-6 pups in a litter and I'd be happy to let the studs owner have their pick, this will be her last mating. I live in Sumter, SC. and my e-mail is Ak_crazygirl907@hotmail.com or you could call at 803-840-6254

 

Answer by Maddy
Submitted on 2/24/2005
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Yes, There is a such thing as deer Chihuahuas, they are just Chihuahuas that have a head that is shaped like a deer.

 

Answer by Lisette
Submitted on 2/26/2005
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Hello,

My name is Lisette and I am the proud owner of a chi. He is 7 months old. I was reading a chi web site and I found out about the deer chi's I had no idea that this term excited (I was wondering why my baby looked like Bambi) He is sooo cute and loving, he is a very jealous little guy he does not let no one get near me only my husband. I have never owned a chi before and I am loving it. I heard that chi's are hard to train and they are stubborn and not very smart but it is not so with my Tommy he potty trained really fast in 2weeks and he is extremely smart sometimes he amazes me he seems almost human with the things he does. Well enough mommy bragging my question is do your chis have a control issue like being really overprotective and jealous of other people getting near you?  

 

Answer by Max's mommy
Submitted on 2/28/2005
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I have a question for anyone to answer!  I recently bought a "deer" chihuahua...he is three months old.  He is the sweetest thing, but his ears don't stand up, and they never have so far.  Is this normal at all?  I've read that they should be up by eight weeks, but am hoping that there are common exceptions to the rule.  Also, I was told he'd get no bigger than five pounds, but he weights 3.5 right now...not looking good.  Can anyone tell me how tall a 10 or 12 pound chihuahua is?  I wanted a little lapdog...

 

Answer by Pebbles87
Submitted on 3/8/2005
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Yes!!! There is such a thing as a Deer chihuahua because we have one ourselves. She is red in color and she is tall with a kinda big head and long skinny legs. She looks just like a deer so you can't just say that its another "nick-name" for the dogs because its not. Its real!

 

Answer by Rhettsdad
Submitted on 3/10/2005
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I just spent over an hour reading through these posts. I have concluded that chihuahuas and their owners both possess a degree of loyalty that exceeds the norm. Mellie, Rhett, Elvis and  Dollar are like having four kids in the house. They require attention and patience but in return provide a love and companionship that rivals (perhaps exceeds) that of humans. My dogs are a very important part of my life.

 

Answer by JESALM
Submitted on 3/12/2005
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I HAVE A DEER HEADED CHIHUAHUA AND I PAYED ALOT FOR HIM HIS NAME IS CHICO AND I LOVE HIM HES LIKE MY SON BUT WHAT GETS ME MAD IS THAT PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY "THATS NOT A CHIHUAHUA" AND IM LIKE YEAH IT IS I HAVE PAPERS BUT IM JUST TIRED OF EXPLAINING JUST CAUSE HES NOT AS SMALL AS THE TACO BELL GUY SEE CAUSE MY CHI IS LIKE 12 LB HE IS NOT THAT SMALL. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ???

 

Answer by Trinity
Submitted on 3/22/2005
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Chihuahuas are named deer chihuahua because they look like tiny deer i have one.My mom and dad sometimes go outside and see deer but it is actually my dog,deer chihuahua is a chihuahuas nickname like apple head is but it is not a type of chihuahua,its a chihuahua that looks like a deer and is very slim and doesn't have bulging out eyes like an applehead... chihuahua is my most favorite dog in the world my second favorite would be huskie...and why do they have to call them apple head they are cute not ugly and stupid

 

Answer by mybella
Submitted on 3/24/2005
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You can see her by looking up Bella Rivera, in Palm Bay

 

Answer by chico
Submitted on 4/2/2005
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hi i have a chihuahua that is 10 weeks and 9 ounces how big will she get

 

Answer by Adri
Submitted on 4/5/2005
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My husband bought me a deer chi about a year and a half ago and life hasn't ever been this good!  She's so much fun, cuddles, runs like the wind, and makes our life complete.  We love her with all our heart.  She's 10 lbs. and is fawn colored with a white spot on her chest and beautiful blue eyes.  We get so many compliments on how beautiful she is and many people ask what type of dog she is.  We always say "Deer Chi" and many people respond with the typical "I have never heard of that breed...I would love to get one of those--they're so much cuter than the Appleheads!"   We tend to agree.

 

Answer by Tater Tot's Mommy
Submitted on 4/5/2005
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I know there's been the life long controversy is there such a thing as a deer chihuahua or not??  Well, a book came out last year by a vet and a deer chi was described in the manual.  It explained the differences mainly in the apple vs. deer head.  It also mentioned about the body shape and most notably legs.  Technically there isn't such thing as a deer since chis are either short or long haired and that's it...but if we want to call them deer, teacup or whatever it may be, that's up to the individual and hopefully that individual isn't a breeder!  (I got my deer from the shelter)  Cheers!

 

Answer by chi's_are_from_egypt
Submitted on 4/15/2005
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stephanie, just keep your chi away from any dog! My chi is fixed and she always attacks other dogs even ours.Female toy breeds are just bad tempered!

 

Answer by chi's_are_from_egypt
Submitted on 4/15/2005
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I have a deer chi but she is a whole lot different than any chi I have ever seen!!! She has a purpleish nose,she weighs over 15 lbs. ,and a heart shaped symbol on her chest! Is she full breed?

 

Answer by TT
Submitted on 4/23/2005
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I have an apple head he is black and white and loves to go to to McDonalds and get breakfast

 

Answer by Andi
Submitted on 5/1/2005
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I obtained two chi mixes...dachshund is in their background--happy accident. They look very much like 'deer' chi's, but Chula has a wrinkled forehead with smaller close-set eyes, and both she and Blanca have a very slightly longer body and legs than the standard. They look great, and their parents and grandparents and some cousins were on site and in great health. You could really see the dachshund in some of them! My question is, why would anyone want to conform so strongly to a breed standard that promotes so many health problems? Eyes, knees, respiratory, difficulty in gestation and delivery, back problems (dachshund) etc. People state how awful it is for the animals for people to allow mixed breeds, yet I think it is cruel to doom an animal to a life of fairly certain known health problems. The dogs have no idea if they are AKC standard or 'heinz 57'. I don't think that we should allow indiscriminant breeding to run rampant either, by the way. There are too many unwanted dogs. However, it seems counterproductive to continue a standard that produces too many 'truly inferior' dogs, and I mean truly inferior to nature's standards, not human'sstandards. I love the looks of the purebreed animals along with the hopes that you know the temperament, but I would not want to own another. My rotty, Belle, is 14 years old, and I love her, but my mutts were always hardier.

 

Answer by Milolove
Submitted on 5/11/2005
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To some of you that have the deer head chi's and say they are 16-18 lbs yet still slim etc.. I say to you it probably has Rat Terrier or Min Pin  in it somewhere down the line. Chi's that get to 16 lbs are either not a chi or are a mix..if they did get that big they would be a big ol ball. They would not be in the TOY category if they got that big.
I see alot of you that have said that got them at the pound.  It is common for a vet or other people to "classify" a dog as a breed other than what it truly is because without a DNA it is impossible to tell. If a Chi is 17 lbs it really would resemble a bowling ball LOL! I have a Min Pin/Chi and his parents belong to a friend so I know 100% but hearing some say their "deerhead" looks like a Min Pin I say he may very well be 1/2 or there is a Min Pin in the closet so to speak (or a Rat Terrier).  You mix either of the two with a Chi it is hard to tell since I have seen both mixed. I hear all the time "Oh you have a deer head" and I laugh because his mom is long hair chihuahua (registered) his Pop, Min Pin (registered)

 

Answer by puppylova
Submitted on 5/17/2005
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thats easy! seperate them! well...at least that's what i do. :)

 

Answer by charly_t
Submitted on 5/18/2005
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I have enjoyed reading some of the responses in this thread (yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus, <VBG>). And yes there are deer type chihuahuas (I'm not here to cause any trouble). Page 12, "The Complete Chihuahua", Howell Book House (first published edition was 1947 although mine is a later edition).
It states "Two distinct types of Chihuahuas are shown and raised today, one as popular as the other; namely the cobby type and the
deer type." It has a good selection of pictures of both types. What is being shown today is the cobby type & the old fashioned deer type would not win in the show ring but I still like them all. This book has a lot about the history of the breed by people who lived when the breed was first becoming popular in the USA (& before). There were crosses with other breeds early on to try to improve the health of the dogs being brought into the USA from Mexico. Some small terriers were used in some instances.
    charly

 

Answer by soujourner
Submitted on 5/25/2005
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Perhaps, if enough people support the old style of Chihuahua somatotype,it will become a second,separate acceptable Chihuahua type a la long vs. shorthairs.

As I understand it,that is not the case today.

"Deer" Chihuahuas are not compliant with current preferences for the breed but we can
tell by this thread that they are still around and still popular with those blessed
with their friendship.

If people wish to retain certain traits in
a breed'sbloodline,they should breed individuals of the best physical and psychological health possible.

They should also make sure that the offspring of those breedings wind up with caring,knowledgeable and responsible people.

This would give us all the variety within a breed we should need (and,maybe,a few new breeds) without promoting an ever larger
occurrence of congenital abnormalities or
denying an animal a happy,productive life
just because of a cosmetic "defect".

Personally,I wouldn't care if some august organization mandated the size of a "deer"
chihuahuas' antlers so long as every member of this breed was conceived responsibly,born
healthy,raised with kindness and given the
chance to be his own best self.

Whether that individual passes his genes on
to future generations of the dog fancy or he
does nothing more (and nothing less) than show humans how to love and be loved,he has a
legacy.

Some dogs were bred to herd,some to hunt,some to run fast or burrow.

Chihuahuas were intended to preserve the souls of their humans.

If they can help us to be more rational and
caring,do aesthetics really matter?

 

Answer by Randa
Submitted on 6/4/2005
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This message is in response to Salsamild's message posted on 3/3/2004. Quite frankly, who gives a hoot what the AKC thinks, They are not God.  Most of the people posting messages in here are not looking to 'Show' their chi in the AKC, whether is apple or deer type. My deer type chi is much prettier than bulging eyed, pushed in snout, short legged, stubby bodied type chi anyway.

 

Answer by BUTTERCUP
Submitted on 6/5/2005
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YES, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A "DEER CHIHUAHUA" I HAVE ONE. THERE ARE ALSO TEACUP AND TOYS. I MEAN DO YOU THINK THAT ONE DAY SOMEONE JUST SAT AROUND BEING BORED AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SAID OH! I THINK I'LL CALL THIS ONE A DEER CHIHUAHUA AND THIS ONE AN APPLEHEAD AND THIS ONE A TOY...I DON'T THINK SO. WE BREED CHIHUAHUAS AND WE HAVE DEER CHIHUAHUAS THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE THE COLOR OF A DEER...THEIR SHAPE IS JUST SLENDER AND THEY PRANCE WHEN THEY WALK. THEY ARE VERY SOPHISTICATED DOGS. PLEASE GET YOUR INFORMATION STRAIGHT BEFORE TRYING TO LET EVERYONE THINK THAT YOU ARE SOME KIND OF EXPERT IN THIS SUBJECT AREA.

 

Answer by BowiesMommy
Submitted on 6/10/2005
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When your chi's in heat keep them seperated... My female jack russell gets very aggresive when shes in heat as well, we keep her seperated. It helps :)

 

Answer by BowiesMommy
Submitted on 6/10/2005
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Hmm... i have read all of these comments right from the top. I found this page when i was looking for breeders for a second chi female that i want to purchase. My thoughts on all of this deer head vs. apple head chi's is that yeah they all are one breed but when people talk about a chi that they have they describe them as an apple or deer or the one that i have that is completely proportionate... neither deer or apple, but a normal looking chi? But to say that your deer head is a dissapointment to you because she doesnt LOOK like your prescious little apple head that u had way back when.. is just PATHETIC. You should have been smart enough to research breeders, the parents and family line APPEARANCE to see what "kind" of appearance your chi was going to develop. I mean if your that concerned with the way a puppy is going to look like then you should have taken it upon yourself to search a lil more responsibly. My Chi Bowie is 4 month old male and stubborn as all hell but is sweet, has a personality that blows my mind, and potty trained within a week at 2 months old. So stop all your whining about what you did have and how u dont like what u DO have because it isnt APPLE headed looking enough or whatever that crap was and LOVE the dog you have and be grateful u have such a loving breed existing in your home... if only people that wish they had a Chi in general could  be so LUCKY...

 

Answer by andrea
Submitted on 6/17/2005
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Q
does chihuahua have lungs?

 

Answer by Liz
Submitted on 6/18/2005
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NO one should be breeding any kind of dog for the money. Read your states puppy lemon law!!! If you have any genetic problem it comes back to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You not being a responsible breeder!Many people think that breeding dogs is a great way to make lots of money. They see 1200$$ for a puppy and think if they did that  they can get a nice cash load.Go to an AKC conformation show and talk to people that are in the ring. Ask them about breeding, ask them about all the hard work they have to do! You have to have a strong mind and heart. some pups wont make it and you can also be putting your female at risk of dieing.Then it all comes back to you. You wanting to breed her and get money from her. Breed to the best of your knowledge and do ALL of your genetic testing.Just think a bit on what you have just read. Its is hard smelly and sometimes very heart wrenching work, you should do only because you want to improve the breed and breed to the breed's standard.

 

Answer by emo4ever
Submitted on 6/18/2005
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i got a chihuahua about a year ago and I always thought she looked like a deer. She really looks like Bambi the disney cartoon character. She's very small only about 3 lbs. and has huge rounded ears. She was white when I first got her then she turned dark like sorta grayish then she turned back to white and now she turned darker again. It's weird i know. She has a very faint beige stripe going down her whole back. She is very slim and has longer body and long legs. A lot of people told me that most chihuahuas bark a lot and are feisty, but my girl is very quiet and loves everyone except other dogs she doesn't know. She is very affectionate and loves to be pet. I never heard of such thing as "deer chi" as so they call it. I'm confused because of all the debating going on in this forum. I'm not a dog professional, but in my opinion my dog does look like a deer more than any other dogs I've seen on internet or in person. I wouldn't call her a deerchi but only in the looks category. Not all chihuahuas look alike as not all german shepherds look alike and as not all maltese look alike and so on. You can see my dog at dogster.com you can find her under her name "pinki". Please tell me what you think!

 

Answer by Kaela Rae
Submitted on 6/29/2005
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God dont yall get it Chi's are chi's no matter wut shape or size their heads or bodies are!Different colors or hair lengths my god they are Chi's till the day we all die!!

i my self own a chi.
he is a short haired black and tan chi'
named Teeto but every one calls him Frito/burrito/taquito/mosquito i think he lost his name??
but he is almost one and i love him dearly even tho he isnt papered i adore him!!
if anyones here knows how to register a pet shop pup pls email me at cunfuzzledbunnie@yahoo.com

Luv ya lots

 

Answer by Martini's Mommy
Submitted on 7/1/2005
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I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one with the same feelings about my deer looking Chi, Marti.  I never really had concerns that my dog maybe a fake chi or a mixed breed until I brought Marti to the vet.  On our 1st visit I was told that Marti was mixed.  I mean, can the vet really tell me something like that when the breeder told me that Marti was a full bread Chi and was going to have the features of a deer?  The more and more I bring him to the vet and pet stores I see other Chis with the same features and of course I can't help but to ask if their Chi's are also full breed.  I love Marti, he's like one of my kids, but sometimes I can't help it and I think that maybe the vet was right.

 

Answer by macdaddy
Submitted on 7/12/2005
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call the dog whisperer

 

Answer by allyrd58
Submitted on 7/16/2005
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i'd like to know how you folks with the deer-headed or deer-legged chihuahuas are getting them to gain so much weight. not that i want him to, but he's a year old and only weighs 4.1 pounds. the vet says he might should get up to 5, but the way he runs around, i just don't see it happening.

 

Answer by erin
Submitted on 8/7/2005
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YES!!! There is a difference between deer head and apple head chihuahuas.  i own one of both and actually prefer the deer head.  They are smaller and have tons of personality and attitude.  She is in charge of my other 2 dogs and is smaller than both of them.  Their chihuahua also seems to have bigger ears and alot smaller head.

 

Answer by pinkchi
Submitted on 8/8/2005
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I just got a chi that was supposed to be for 250 dollars ,but this lady gave me him for 75 dollars! I named him Shortie!!!

 

Answer by pinkchi
Submitted on 8/8/2005
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I just got a chi that was supposed to be for 250 dollars ,but this lady gave me him for 75 dollars! I named him Shortie!!!

 

Answer by HONEYBLOSSOM
Submitted on 8/20/2005
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THE BOY

 

Answer by alexis
Submitted on 9/3/2005
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your chihuahua is missing a leg because it was inbred.  Just like humans, they can have deformaties

 

Answer by Dorthey
Submitted on 9/5/2005
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A deer chi is just a Chihuahua that does not meet standards with the AKC nothing else. I have 2 girls they are very head strong. There are two types if you read the AKC chihuahua breed standers. Long hair and Short. not Deers Tea Cups.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/chihuahua/index.cfm

See only to Photos a short coat and a long! I don't see any deer chis or teacups

 

Answer by chrisr
Submitted on 9/9/2005
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hello !
I have a Chihuahua that I recently saved from the irrigation ditch. He looks sort of funny with his narrow head.. when you look at him, his head reminds me of a deer. His markings are those of a Doberman, but he weights about 4 pounds. Whoever had him before was real nasty to him. I have figured out that he was beaten by a woman and chased and probably hit with a broom.
How do I gain his trust and love? I pulled out the broom one-day to sweep and he vacated the room screaming  and at a dead run. I know he is young because he has two baby teeth still to lose. The only time he comes to me is at night when the lights go off and i go to bed.. then he wants to be picked up and tucked into bed.

 

Answer by Nicole
Submitted on 9/20/2005
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To fix your problem spay your dog.  How many times do you plan on breeding her?

 

Answer by Sheri
Submitted on 9/24/2005
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Yes there is a "deer headed " chihuahua.  I have one too.  I can't believe there are actually people out there that don't believe this.  Check your AKC records people.  there are 2 versons of this dog...one is the " apple headed"  the other is the "deer headed".

 

Answer by GODSGIRL
Submitted on 9/29/2005
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"DEER" "APPLE", WHATEVER, MY MALE "DEER" CHI IS THE MOST GORGEOUS DOG I HAVE EVER SEEN.  HIS SHAPE IS LIKE A GREYHOUND. BIG ROUNDED RIB CAGE, THIN STOMACH AREA, TRIANGLE SHAPED EARS THAT NEVER LAY DOWN.  HE IS SUCH A GOOD DOG FOR ME.  HE DEFINATELY DOES BETTER WITH GENTLE PERSISTANT DEMANDS THAN WITH YELLING.  YELLING MAKES HIM SCARED AND THEN HE PEES.  LOVE MY SPIKE.  HE IS ABOUT TWO FEET TALL ON ALL FOURS, AND WEIGHS APPROX 15 LBS.  JUST BARELY LITTLE ENOUGH TO STILL FIT ON MY LAP WITH THE "APPLE HEAD" AND THEIR PUP.

 

Answer by Daisy's mom
Submitted on 10/7/2005
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My Daisy is a "deer head". She is barely 5 pounds and she is the best dog I have ever owned. She is a little stubborn at time but what Chi isn't. My gram's Chi, which I bought for her over 10 years ago, is an apple. He is AKC and from champion blood likes and weighs a whopping 16 pounds. It's not about the whether your Chi is "apple" or "deer" head that indicates their size, temprament, or anything. It's the genetics.

 

Answer by Dez
Submitted on 10/8/2005
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If they all have the same name why do they cost different prices.... I'm 14 and i am looking for a "T-cup chi" a small one i went on this site and i saw the cutest pups one was blue n brown n orange looking ........ anyways if anyone knows a cheap breeder plz um... send back Thx ^.^

 

Answer by Chloe
Submitted on 10/11/2005
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Don't know if anyone already said this but a good idea of a chi that looks "deer headed" is the taco bell dog...just for those of u wondering

 

Answer by gabina
Submitted on 10/14/2005
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hey, i think there is a such thing as a deer chi.. b/c i have one and he looks like a baby deer. he sits, walk, and acts like a deer (sometimes). i beleive we can say there is a such thing as a deer chi.

 

Answer by Tamera Anne
Submitted on 10/17/2005
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Back to the "Deer Chi Thing"...
... I have one named Zeus, He is our baby. He is the coolest pup. Very playful, incredibly smart, sweet, funny, cuddly, loving, easy-going... he is special... (I have to say, really all animals are special gifts).
I had an ACD, Duffy... he had his special personallity too.  
   Niether my husband or I ever thought we would get a chihuahua. Zeus found me & it was love at first sight. It took a lot for me to convince my husband that we had to have him... and then he met Zeus & it was love at first sight too. they are best-est of buds... Zeus only gets left at home when we both have to work. He is our baby. He brings soooo much love & joy into our lives. He's not a dog, He's our baby & he is very special...
and he is 100% CHIHUAHUA no matter what anyone says...

 

Answer by Tanya
Submitted on 10/18/2005
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I have a "deer head" chihuahua and he is absolutely the most adorable and sweetly tempered dog you can imagine.  He goes with me everywhere.  He is stocky/sturdy, medium brown with a white chest pattern, and weighs about 9 lbs at 9 mos of age.  He trained very quickly and walks/follows beautifully on and off leash.  He readily adapts to new people, but stays very alert and aware of his surroundings.  He loves my 2 yellow labs and plays beautifully with all dogs.  He loves our 3 cats and rolls over to let them climb on him, too.

His physical differences from the purebred chis are that his ears, though large are more proportionate to his head, his head has a beautiful puppy shape with a longer face, his eyes do not bulge, he does not shake except when afraid or cold. He is very quiet and does not yap or bark at everything.  Everywhere I take him, he draws attention from young and old wondering what kind of dog he is.  They all say his color is extremely unusual for a chi.  He looks a little bit like a cross of a min pin with a dachshund.  He is oh so cute.  I don't know anything about Chis, he was a gift from a friend at 6 weeks of age and I adore him.

 

Answer by KJ
Submitted on 10/19/2005
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Myra, I have pictures of the Deer head type, I would be happy to email to you kjjmzam@aol.com         Mine look like deers, put antlers on them at X-mas and you've got your reindeers. They're not huge, but they're small either. My friend has the smaller "apple head" type and they seem to me to be yappy, nippy and very nervious. My chi's are very easy going, easy to train, very logical, and get along with the big dogs as if they were one big too.  About 6-7 pounds, ears large and erect, and no bulging eyes.

 

Answer by Chico'sMom
Submitted on 10/20/2005
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hello is anyone here anymore........ awwww shux

 

Answer by jay in NJ
Submitted on 11/2/2005
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Does anyone live in somerset or middlesex county in NJ and have a 2-3.5 or  4 lbs male chihuahua they would be interested in studding out for a reasonable fee?

Please let me know?? It is like impossible to find a stud in NJ... Papers are not as important as personality of the CHI.

 

Answer by cindih
Submitted on 11/2/2005
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I would think that inbreeding is what produced the deformity in your puppy just as human inbreeding can do the same.  I would think that you would want either your male neutered or your female spayed to prevent these sorts of things happening again.  Very experienced breeders know how to linebreed to get certain traits and qualities in their line but not one show breeder that I know ever inbreeds.  It is such a heartbreak to see a puppy with a problem so I would encourage you to be responsible and spay/neuter so this doesn't happen again.  

 

Answer by Carmynes Oma
Submitted on 11/5/2005
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I am glad to have found this site. The conversations are great. My daughter adopted her chi Carmyne last Feb. We were just looking for a companion for her. Any small breed, for an apartment. We have had lots of experience with Labs, a Cocker/Lab mix, etc. They all have such individual personalities as long as one is willing to look. I grew up with a Doxie/Cocker mix (we called her a CoDac as in the camera...) Anyway, she was a snot! I have found doxies to be "know-it-all" types, and pushy! Carmyne, however, is such a sweetie. We knew nothing about chis when we got him. But have since grown to love the breed, no matter whether they fit the AKC definition or not. The previous mom told us that Carmyne was an "applehead-deer" chi.  We had NO idea what that meant. But reading all the descriptions you all have provided, I can now see the characteristics that fit. Carmyne is a 5 year old, 10 to 12 pound taller than average little guy. He was very shy when my daughter got him but has since blossomed into quite a personality. He is now bolder than he was 9 months ago, not agressive at all, and can "sing". He also mumbles when told to be quiet! He is very devoted and loyal to my daughter who has special needs. He keeps her laughing and loves to get his sweater on and go for rides. He also loves to get into her baby carrier/front pack when they go into stores. He knows when she grabs that he is going too. He is very smart and has a great memory! Now that I know more about the breed, if I ever get another dog I want a chi... whatever kind it is... Of course I WILL adopt. I cannot imagine why anyone would abandon such a cute little guy.

 

Answer by chris
Submitted on 11/19/2005
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Is there such thing as a deer leged chihuaha? We got on and they said it was one. Could someone send me pictures of on.

 

Answer by mama
Submitted on 11/21/2005
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i luv chihuahua but i luv shi tzus more they can be really ugly but with some love and a bath they are so cute!

 

Answer by renee
Submitted on 11/23/2005
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We also have a deer-head chihuahua.  And we have been questioned about his breed because he is tall and weighs 17 lbs.  His nose is longer than most chihuahuas and his eyes don't protrude like most.  I'm glad to hear that we aren't the only ones with a dog like this that is a true chihuahua!  He is very smart and protective.  He barks at everyone.  Has anyone got any ideas how to make him understand when we say that it's o.k. and to stop barking?

 

Answer by BA
Submitted on 11/27/2005
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well i dont have a chi but i want one and i want it to be small and not get big so is the "apple head" the one i need to get? and if i get this kind approx. how big will it get? BA

 

Answer by Ricky's mom
Submitted on 11/29/2005
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A "deer head" chihuahua is simply a poorly bred chihuahua that doesn't conform to the AKC standard.  Period.
Yes, they can be wonderful family pets, etc. But they shouldn't cost more than a mixed breed you can adopt at an animal shelter.

 

Answer by bastropjoel
Submitted on 11/30/2005
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We have 3 chihuahuas, our newest being the smallest and leggiest, at about 3 lbs. We have heard here referred to as a deer. She is the sweetest thing, but I think temperament has more to do with how you train and treat them than their breed. Honey is about to enter her second heat, and we will be breeding her.
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Answer by Rachel
Submitted on 12/2/2005
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Honestly, I've always known a Chihuahua to be just that.  Although I've noticed numerous variations, I never knew the nicknames for these distinctions (as far as apple-head & deer)  I got Priscilla, my first, more or less unexpectedly.  I lady I worked w/ was getting her & let me hold her, but when she noticed how much the puppy liked me, she gave her to me rather than taking her for her own.  She's been the most wonderful dog in the world (now 5+ years).  She's black w/ tan markings (like a Rot or Doberman)  Her eyes are big and round but don't bulge.  She's got average legs, slender body, & she prances when she walks.  She's VERY loving, hyper on some occasions.  For the most part, she's calm & cuddly.  She's not a big fan of new dogs, & she's nice to my children when they're calm around her.  I love her no matter what, but I am interested in knowing by my description of her, what types she would fall into, so that I could maybe find one similar to hear down the road.  
My cousin has the chi termed "teacup,"  & 2 months, he's the tiniest living animal I've ever seen - TINY.  & I just got a male who seems to have bluish-green eyes, also not bulging, but he has a longer, skinnier snout.  He's only 7 weeks, so I can determine nothing more right now.  Although, his present personality is great.  He's calm & cuddly when necessary, & playful the rest of the time.  I DEFINITELY prefer this breed to that of the min pin.

 

Answer by ashleylynn
Submitted on 12/3/2005
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My mom has two mixed breed little dogs(chi, and poodle). They're a little bit bigger than the chihuahuas. About 4 years ago I seen the teacup chihuahuas in a pet book while in a store. But 2 1/2 years ago I came across a blue one with lite blue eyes on the internet a breeder was selling. I forgot the website and could never find it again. Could anyone tell me where I can get a blue teacup chi?

 

Answer by Krissy
Submitted on 12/3/2005
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  I was always under the impression a chihuahua is a chihuahua. i mean except long hair, its either a big or little cihuahua. I have 2 One is 10 lbs and the smartest dog  I ave ever owned. My other is what everyone wants to call a "deer" shes rare colored some what and I found here  on vacation n Peurto Vallarta. A true mexican girl. As smart as my big boy is she is sweet. A lot of times with chihuahuas you dont now what youll get. The 2 dogs I have where the same size as puppies and ones a solid muscular 10 lbs and the other a tall wispy 6 lbs cutie. And Please dont under feed your chihuahua to keep it small. They need alot of energy just to run that little body around and they are prone to health and heart problem so please feed em like they are you baby   cuz they are!!! Krissy

 

Answer by Kay Fritz
Submitted on 12/5/2005
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I have what I imagine is a deer Chihuahua. Castro is 7 1/2 months old and weights about 8 1/2 pounds. He is almost solid black even though he looks dark chocolate in the sunlight. He is sleek and long-legged with small eyes and enormous ears. He loves to root under the covers and stretches out full length next to me or my husband or he sleeps with his head on one of us and his butt on the other one. He is the sweetest thing I have ever had, I don't care what he is. He is a lap lush!!
Kay

 

Answer by Texas HomeGirl
Submitted on 12/8/2005
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Funny how everyone seems to know so much about this lil dog first known to Americans as the Texas dog. Just a real quick response to everyone who knows it all from someone who really does. Chihuahuas were the companions to the Maya and the Aztec. Some were domestic and others feral. They ran all over Texas, Mexico,Arizona and New Mexico digging little holes to have babies in, breaking into hen houses. Anyone ever witnessed a heard of chis digging a hole together? They range in size and shapes and I personally like them that way. What the A.K.C. is doing is called standerdization. I think its a sin. This fiesty critters variations in color and size is part of what makes them special.My suggestion go to Mexico ,Southern parts of Texas even Arizona. Oh you will see Deer chis,Apple heads,Blues,hairless and tea cups. They are all hard headed and fiesty stubborn bundles of joy. Chi love to all the chihuahua goddess

 

Answer by Faye
Submitted on 12/9/2005
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Hi! Wow this is such a lovely site. I can't believe all the hub bub about Chihuahuas. I have one. His name is Sziggie. He is a so called Deer Chihuahua. I couldn't care less what he is, because he is the greatest dog ever.

 

Answer by jennifer abernathy
Submitted on 12/13/2005
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i guess there could be but unless i see it then i would not really know.

 

Answer by caroless
Submitted on 12/21/2005
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My little guy is a fawn with black hairs running thru.  White feet and chest and blazes of white on his head.  He has smaller eyes and large ears and an absolutely adorable face.  I don't care what anyone wants to call him deer or apple.  To me he should be called 'lover'.  

 

Answer by caroless
Submitted on 12/21/2005
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Well, wouldn't it be smart to have her fixed.  Why put the dog thru such misery.  Don't understand why people find this so necessary??

 

Answer by daniel
Submitted on 12/27/2005
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while all chihuahuas are all considered one it is a matter of preference,,, my answer for those that could not house break their deer,, (stubborn, strong head, or untrainable) have you ever considered that it was not the dogs problem but the method or choice of training,,, i have a 1+ yr old deer,, which is so darn cute and loves to snuggle, sleep, burrow under blankets,, and runs like crazy,, and she was not house broken when i adopted her at one year,, after many attempts of all types of training the one i found that works is crating and not,(not), not did i mention not let her out of sight and show her where she needs to go and be consistent and don't quit trying... remember she is only learning and if she isn't doing it right, it may be she hasn't caught on yet,,, and not being stubborn,,, if she come to you it isn't a matter of obedience .. and for those of you that need help keeping your multiple dogs separated so they don't get pregnant,,,, have you ever considered getting them fixed,,, unless they are being bred for purpose,,, there are enough adorable dogs in rescue shelters that are being slaughtered every day that could use a loving home.....take care

 

Answer by mandi
Submitted on 12/29/2005
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Well for on I think that you should not have to ask this qustions if your dog is well minded but. My best advise is to sperate them for a few min when start doing this. They will soon get the idea that is wrong.

 

Answer by PennyTammyBoomerTobyMartysMom
Submitted on 12/30/2005
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Hi Never ran into this type of discussion before. Think I'll jump in here.

I got Penny (short copper/red coat with red eyes and a self colored nose by todays common verbiage an apple head)a 6wk old Chi when I was 8 years of age. Dubbed as a teacup (new term at about that time) she grew to be about 2.5 lbs,lived to be 16 yrs old with a lot of health problems. Taken by the breeder, you bet.  Did I care, not at all. Yes, she meets the commonly understood weight for teacups (by commonly misunderstood standards)but, really she was just the runt of the litter that hadn't gotten a healthy start on life. She never gained much weight. I suppose they could have sold her in todays world as an apple-headed, dear legged teacup, but they had no clue what she would look like when she grew up because you can't tell by just looking at the parents you would need to see her entire lineage up-close and personal.  She had a very gentle but, nervous personality yet never snapped at anyone.

Then there was Tammy (short hair, white with brown and tan splotches, black eyes and nose). I got her when I was 12 yrs old. Sold as a Chihuahua (nothing more nothing less) that didn't meet show dog quality standards. She today would be described as the "Deer Chi". Looks like a Rat Terrier acts like a Chi. Must be a terrier/chi (kind of like yellow snow - looks like one, acts like one, must be one) mix that some breeder wanted to introduce and believe me some breeders all over are trying to create something new and have it eventually get accepted as a standard. Loving but hyper personality, always did what she was suppose to when someone was around.  Always did what she was not suppose to when no one was looking. She died young for no apparent reason at about 8 yrs of age.

Then there was Boomer (Long hair, fawn colored, black eyes and nosed, apple headed). Boomer grew to be about 8lbs. (They called this a throw back from creating the long hair by breeding the smallest healthy male chi (about 3 lbs or less) to the smallest female Pom (about 6 lbs or less) that they could fined. They did this somewhere back in his heritage and not with his immediate parents.) That's what happens when a breeder sets out to create a new variety and registers it's Chi/Pom Pup as a Chi Pup with the parents as pre-registered Chi's in order to have the AKC accept the little tyke.  I was 20 when I got him and knew this then,loved him just the same. It took decades for the AKC to accept the Long Haired Chi that is truly a Chi/Pom mix that is kept as small as possible by the experienced breeder. He was yippee, possessive, strong headed and as sweet as could be. He lived to be 15 yrs old.

Then came Toby. I was 45 yrs old when I rescued him from the Humane Society. Estimated age 1 yr. classified as a Chi that appears to be a full breed. Apple head, ears and stance that fit the standard, white with black splotches, black eyes and nose.) Under wait at 3 lbs. Gained weight up to 5 lbs. Friendly, entertaining, witty, cuddly, brave-hearted.  His body appeared longer than standards would accept. A few times he was referred to by others that saw him as an apple-head, banana chi.(Alrighty then.) I never heard of such a thing. Maybe he was a full blooded chi or maybe he was a chi with doxie in its heritage.  Who knows, who cares. Of all my chi's (I love them all dearly) he holds a most special place in my heart. Unfortunately, Toby died at 5 yrs old due to a tragic accident.

Now at nearly 51, I have Marty. (Short Hair, Apple Head, Short stocky legs and body, Tri-color(Black,Brown,Grey)Rottie markings, at 6 wks old he weighs in at 16 oz.  His mother is brindle, apple head with long snout and weighs in at 6.5 lbs. His father is tri-color, apple head with short snout and weighs in at 3 lbs. There were 4 in the litter. One brindle male at 20 oz (spoken for by the sires owner), one blue/brown male at 26 oz. (this one will probably be dubbed as a dear chi (even at 6 wks you could see the longer snout and more narrow head, one male (Marty - head rounded on all sides - Apple, snout shorter than the other litter mates except his sister, short stocky body) tri-color at 16 oz and one female tri-color (same qualities as Marty) at 16 oz. Why did I choose Marty over the sister. Remember My first chi Penny she had a lot of health issues - Marty's sister was not spunky - she was rather subdued and after recently loosing Toby I did not want to risk loosing a brand new Chi because she might not be as healthy as the rest.  

What do you think Marty will grow up to be.  Hmmm, don't know, don't care.  Am I showing him = NO.  Am I a breeder out for the bucks or to create a show dog = NO. I'm a chi lover and I love them all.

Do not argue if a Deer Chi who started out as a Deer Head Chi and was advanced to Deer to include the longer sleeker body exists or not. You own a chi or chi mix and you love it. That's what matters. The only reason you call it a Deer Chi is because breeders dubbed them as such to attempt to sell them as something special since they could not sell them as show dogs or to other breeders for standard purposes. Your vet will go along with the common lingo because they don't want to get into all the standard and argumentative things plus they want you to fill good about your pet. Too many do get this chi slated as a deer chi and dump them off somewhere.  Do you really think your vet doesn't know this?  If you think that then I'd seriously be looking for a new vet.

Love your chi or chi mix and leave it at that.

 

Answer by PennyTammyBoomerTobyMartysMom
Submitted on 12/30/2005
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Brother and sister mating.  Never a good idea. Inner breeding creates/causes deformities and special needs puppies. Standards for breed should include not being related. Just like you can't marry a sibling or cousin or parent neither should your pets.

 

Answer by PennyTammyBoomerTobyMartysMom
Submitted on 12/30/2005
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A St Bernard Beagle and the Beagle is the smaller female.  May I suggest that you get her an abortion or risk loosing her. How can you stop this from happening in the future. Surgically alter one or both animals or find one of them another place to live while she is in heat.

 

Answer by Meggan
Submitted on 12/30/2005
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I work with puppies of all kinds everyday and we get a lot of questions about chihuahuas, and the miniature chihuahuas. We continue to tell them no there is no such thing as a miniature chihuahua. We have articles posted all over from AKC and such to that effect. A chihuahua is a chihuahua just like all other breeds there are different shapes, sizes, and colors. No chihuahua is exactly the same, and yes calling them deer chihuahuas and apple headed chihuahuas does make them sound retarded so please stop calling them that. every breeder that I have spoken with have said the same thing there is no such thing and no such registry. AKC, and APR will not register them under those names only as a chihuahua, there for there is no such breed its not recognized by any one in my breeding community and I consider these breeders to be the best there is to offer. In the end a chihuahua is just a chihuahua.

 

Answer by tinymama
Submitted on 12/30/2005
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Hi,  I have two chihuahuas.  A male and a female.  I purchased the male as a mate for my little girl (10#) I know, I know...there are adoptable dogs, etc. etc.  Anyway, I want to breed them this summer, BUT  I've realized that my male has an underbite. Two questions..will this get better when he gets adult teeth?  And, what are the %s of getting pups with the same problem?  Also, aren't breeders supposed to tell you, especially if you are new to the breed, that a pup has this problem, before they take that much money?  

 

Answer by Regst Chi Breeder
Submitted on 1/4/2006
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Hi all ,

Okay on the topic of the "nik-named types" of Chihuahua. Like a couple past post have explained.....a Chihuahua is a chihuahua , if it does not fit into the BREED STANDARD of the AKC or CKC , people still wanting to breed inocorrect(to the breed standard, not making them any less a dog) unregistered dogs will come up with nik names to feel more legitimate about breeding. This goes for the so called Tea Cup , Rare Mexican  and Deer nose ......all of which are not with in the standard so have to be called something else as when they are sold , people will say "Well this doesn't look like the typical Chi" To which the breeder can say "well that is because it is the Bla bla type"  Does it make it any less a Chihuahua , well probably not but a lot of people do get dissapointed when they buy an adorable Chi pup only to find at 6 mos it looks more like a Min Pin than a Chi.

As for health concerns don't ever get suckered into "they have less health concerns" , if anything they can have more.A good breeder will screen once a year for things like Patellas , eye problems, skin disorders(hereditary mange).This is a costly annual ritual that back yarders do not screen for.

Why are there more incorrect (to the breed standard)in shelters etc etc .....well my guess would be because the breeders don't disclose the "TYPE" of puppy they are selling and at 6 months the people start to look at the Chi and think , my this is not the Chi I had in mind.Breeders of these types will more often that not, not stand behind their breeding and not take an animal back. registered breeders are there for the pup for the entire life of the pup , should something come up. A pup should never ahve to be placed in a shelter.

Bottom line is Buyer Beware ..........Do your homework ..........if you want a Chi with a longer nose they are out there, even in the registered world. We sell them as incorrect to standard and sell as pet only, they are spayed and neutered. Do not get sucked into the RARE Chihuahua craze..it does not exsist. Just last month we had an add for rare CHINESE chihuahuas............$4000 it will never end!

I think there is a dog out there for everyone BUT I do not agree on the labeling of these dogs to make the sale and excuse for breeding them sound legit , when it really is not.

Nicole

 

Answer by Tigger Two
Submitted on 1/9/2006
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When she comes in heat keep them apart.If you can't do that, then stay close.If you go anywhere, then maybe get a dog-sitter.Or take her with you, with a dogie dipper on her of course.

 

Answer by petfoodspecialist
Submitted on 1/10/2006
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First time I've been on the website, I have found it to be truly uninformative. I have been in the pet business for many years working with a premium dog food. I have a PIT BULL 8yo, MINIATURE SCHNAUZER 6yo and (teacup) DEER CHIHUAHUA who at 6months of age is only 2.5lbs. with 3 boys ages 12yo, 7yo and 5yo. I have free feed all my animals from 6 weeks of age. All my dogs and children get along very well together.I've never worried about any incidents, if you raise your children and pets in a loving home and teach all of them to respect and love each other then they will. It's people who put (so called)stereotypes on certain breeds that make people question these animals. When you get them as puppies they will learn their behaviors from you just like your children learn ignorance and bad temperaments. For someone to say that you should not breed your animal if it does not meet AKC standards only goes to show the ignorance of that person, so in other words you should not breed unless you and your spouse can meet the top model standards which you probably don't. ( would you consider you and your spouses breeding to be MUTTS and never to have children because you don't fit that perfect stereotype once again????. on a professional note: Always remember to feed your animals a premium food( no corn or by products) OH YEAH almost forgot I will be breeding my TEACUP DEER CHIHUAHUA. "If any one has concerns on that issue" LOL, LOL, LOL

 

Answer by paige
Submitted on 1/16/2006
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I have a wonderful little chihuahua named Dewey who is a rescued dog.  I estimate his age to be around 5.  He is not bug-eyed.  His ears are long and he has the gait of a deer.  So what?  A rose by any other name still smells as sweet.  When he cuddles between me and my man every night under the covers, the three of us are as happy as can be.  He has so many cute ways about him that make us chuckle.  I am looking for another chihuahua to rescue as a friend for Dewey. A little female dog would be a good companion for him.  When I first got him, he was as thin as a bone but I have rehabilitated him with patience and kindness and kisses and licks.  Like humans, dogs have hearts so if you want a wonderful dog, look for one with heart...one that appeals to you.  And remember, dogs are not throwaways or dollies to be put up on a shelf when they bore you. So, don't go breaking their hearts.  They are wonderful creations put on earth by God to be our best friends.  If you can't be a true blue forever best friend, don't own a dog.

 

Answer by Cassandra
Submitted on 1/20/2006
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Yes there is such a thing as a "Deer" chihuahua and if you as a very good breader or do some resurch on it you will see that it is true.Many people can say what they want but thats there opinion right? Anyway I had a deer chihuahua and he was a sort of blue color but that does not mean that all deer chi's are that color. They all have there own charicter and there own looks but they can all be so cute. Oh "Stephanie" I think that if you have her in heat that you could just bread her or get her fixed. But if you dont want to you could just seperate her from the other dog and try to get her to settle down but thats your decition so thats all i can think of so think positive of everything even if you dont know the facts.

 

Answer by Shorty
Submitted on 1/23/2006
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Hey guys just wanted to say that there is sucha thing as a "deer chi" cause its know two years later and they have descovered deer chi's and they are so adorable. So you can breed your dog at age 1 or 2 maybe sooner it dependes how big they are. Your chi had a baby with one leg missing because of in breeding with the family. Your chi is in heat and bites just6 separate them and get you spaid or just breed her.Well thats all i have to say for thins page later.                                                                        Shorty


 

Answer by Laura
Submitted on 1/25/2006
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This "deer chihuahua" is probably a rat terrier, a breed created by combining such breeds as chihuahuas, smooth fox terriers, beagles and whippits. They look very much like "deer chihuahaus." See: www.dogbreedinfo.com/ratterrier.htm

 

Answer by kd88
Submitted on 1/29/2006
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My husband got me an AKC registered chi from a breeder when we were dating and she(we named her Peaches) grew to be 6lbs. she was long haired and had the best temperament, was never snippy or anything and everywhere we would take her people asked what kind of dog she was and fell in love with her. She looked like a pappillion(sp?) or a pomeranian but he saw both parents on sight and she had her papers. Regardless she was beautiful and had a wonderful personality, she was so smart and new lots of tricks. She died of natural causes 2 years ago at age 14. We have since bought a home on 5 acres and bought 2 German Shepherds we love them dearly but I missed having an indoor dog and my husband again surprised me with a little female chi. She is chocolate brown with caramel markings above her eyes and on her muzzle, chest and all 4 legs, we named her Chiklet and she is 8 mos. and weighs 5lbs. I have really enjoyed this forum because it has answered so many ?'s. I now know that Peaches would be considered a "deer", and so is Chiklet, my husband and I always said how we thought Peaches was cuter than other Chi's because we preferred the longer muzzle and eyes that weren't "bugged". A close friend of mine has an "apple" and she is adorable but not as social and she is having such trouble house training her. Chiklet trained on puppy pads within the first week of us having her. The Chi's had a "play date" and it was so obvious the difference in body and head type, both are beautiful it's just a matter of preference. I agree that both types are Chi.'s but they have slight differences just like humans. Chi.'s are my favorite breed, CHI'S Definitely ROCK!!!!

 

Answer by Maureen
Submitted on 2/2/2006
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I got my chi in December.  Everyone keeps telling me that she is not a purebread chihuahua.  The breeder assured me that she is.  She has a very deer like face, long legs, and loves to burrow.  She is very sweet and I get lots of comments on how adorable she is.  After reading your posts, I am convinced that I have a deer head chi.  I love her and would not trade her for any apple head.

 

Answer by Brandi
Submitted on 2/9/2006
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i have a deer headed chihuahua and i cant seem to get him potty trained. he is so sweet but very stubborn when it comes to going outside to pee. Does anybody know why.

 

Answer by tory
Submitted on 2/9/2006
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hey i love chihuahua's i have like 45 of them there so cute ?

 

Answer by Anna
Submitted on 2/10/2006
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i am a veterenarian. this is for chimama, i have a deer chihuahua she and her breed alike are extremely different from any other type of chihuahua from their physical abilities to their attitudes. those who dont know what they are talking about should just keep their mouths to themselves.

 

Answer by cocos mom
Submitted on 2/18/2006
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hi i have a 5 month old sable colored female deer headed chi.she weighs about 3 and a half pounds.her parents weigh 3 pounds and 5 pounds.can anyone help me know how big she is going to get?

 

Answer by COCOAS MOM
Submitted on 2/22/2006
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WE RECENTLY RESCUED A CHI,SHE REALLY DOES RESEMBLE A DEER.SHE IS TAN AND WHITE,WHEN SHE RUNS YOU WOULD SWEAR SHE IS A BABY DEER.SHE IS EXTREMELY SMART,HOUSEBROKEN,AND VERY ATTACHED TO ME,MOM. I WAS ALMOST WONDERING IF SHE WAS A CHI AT ALL BUT NOW FROM READING THESE POSTS I SEE SHE MUST BE A DEER-TYPE.

 

Answer by chibloom
Submitted on 3/10/2006
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Chimama makes very good points, and I agree that hostility on this site does show a lack of human breeding, especially when the topic is our wonderful pets, whether for show or not...

As for my experience, I have an  chihuahua who is 3.5 Ibs., AKC registered and has the physical characteristics of a "deer."  I previously owned a pomeranian who I grew up with and who lived for a good 18 1/2 years.  I was not a fan of chihuahuas until my sister bought her "deer" chi after the death of our beloved pom.  I personally prefer the "deer" look and my sister's experience with hers was the main reason I purchased my chihuahua.  He is well-socialized and behaved, playful with a loving temperament and a great companion.  I CONSTANTLY receive compliments on his "deer" looks and how cute and well-behaved he is.  The "apple" vs. "deer" argument in the end is a qualitative judgement and about personal preference, and the diverse experiences described thus far indicate that what matters is how happy you are with your chi, and more importantly, your chi with you.  Mostly, our dogs are a reflection of our behavior.  Do you think your chi cares about how you look?  Unfortunately, dogs tend to be much more forgiving...

 

Answer by LuvChis
Submitted on 3/10/2006
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I have a deer looking chi that I found at the humane society. He is the smartest dog I've ever had. He is soo loving, sweet, rarely barks, blue color, big perky ears, long slender body, he goes everywhere with me and weighs about 7.5 lbs. He was found as a stray, one year old and already housebroken. It tears my heart out that he had to stay at the shelter for a week before I could adopt him.

I also have a an apple head looking chi who is feisty as can be, but so totally cute.

I love both of them SO much and would not trade them for anything. Who cares about AKC standards? I surely don't. We don't give away our regret having our children when they aren't born with the color hair or eyes we 'thought' or 'hoped' they would have. A chi is a chi and they vary in appearance and temperment just like children do!

 

Answer by Birdi
Submitted on 3/12/2006
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I sell chis and they tend to be large.  I don't have them papered b/c the father isn't papered and I tell people so when I sell them.  I had a woman call and tell me her vet said that there is no way that the chi is pure.  Can a vet make a call like that?  I know they are pure and my litters range from 3lbs to 16lbs or more.  I must admit I am relieved to read about the true variation in the breed.  Her vet told her it is a min pin chi mix.  I have the "deer" boy and a weirdo "apple deer" mix momma and she is papered.  Thank you for helping me come to terms with the truth.  I told that lady her vet was wrong and that she couldn't make a call like that.  I love my little deers, they are fun to watch prance and hop around.  Thanks again.

 

Answer by Doodlebug
Submitted on 3/18/2006
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Stephanie:
Very easy: GET HER SPAYED! Duh.

 

Answer by Catie
Submitted on 3/18/2006
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"i have a question i was hoping that someone might be able to answer it. I have a 2 year old Beagle and she had just began to go into another one of her heat cycles. I also have a male St bernard. He is not neutered. He keeps trying to mount my beagle. The other day i came home and they were  mating. she is know pregnant how can i stop this from happening in the future."

Get them fixed!!!

 

Answer by d7weaver008
Submitted on 3/22/2006
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I have two papered reindeer chihuahuas. To all the people who say there is only one breed of chihuahua you are 5% right at least. Reindeer, standard, teacup, and deer,  are all sub-classifications for the chihuahua. Reindeer have much larger ears, rounder heads, and less protrusive eyes, an average weight between 4 and 7 pounds and a life span of 20-25 years,whereas tea cup chihuahuas have large heads for their bodies, smaller ears, more protrusive eyes, an average weight of between 1.5-5 pounds, and a MAXIMUM life expectancy of 11 years. I don't have information on the others off hand, but I think I have conveyed the point.

 

Answer by saredin
Submitted on 3/24/2006
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I just adopted a 1 yr old shorthair Chihuahua.  He is not fixed and I am having a tough time with him "violating" stuffed animals, blankets, etc.  If I fix him, will this stop?  When you fix a male Chihuahua is there any behavior changes?

 

Answer by Kristina Lazarine
Submitted on 3/28/2006
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is such thing called a cat with two wells on the back legs

 

Answer by SHATZIECHERI
Submitted on 3/31/2006
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I HAD A 2.5 PD APPLEHEAD-DEER CHIQUAQUA NAMED MITZIE W/EXTREMELY BIG BUG EYES.  SHE LIVED TO BE ABOUT 11YRS. OLD.  SHE HAD ALOT OF HEALTH ISSUES.  SHE HAD AN ENLARGED HEART THAT CAUSED HER TO GET FLUID IN HER LUNGS, SHE ALSO SUFFERED FROM SEIZURES DURING THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OF HER LIFE. SHE HAD TO TAKE MEDICATION FOR BOTH. SHE ALSO WAS ALLERGIC TO FLEES AND HAD RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS.  THE LAST 4-MONTHS OF HER LIFE SHE HAD 3 STROKES-EACH CAUSING NEUROLOGICAL PROBLEMS.  THE LAST ONE LEFT HER SEIZURING FOR OVER AN HOUR IN WHICH I HAD TO HAVE A VET. GIVE HER A SHOT OF VOLUME TO STOP HER FROM SEIZURING.SHE PERSISTED TO HAVE SEIZURE LIKE ACTIVITY INWHICH HER LITTLE LEGS KEPT RUNNING FOR OVER 24-HOURS.  ANOTHER TIME SHE CONTINUALLY WALKED FOR ABOUT 18 HOURS.  I HAD TO PUT HER TO SLEEP TWO WEEKS AFTER THE LAST STROKE BECAUSE THAT TIME THERE WAS TOO MUCH DAMAGE- SHE COULDN'T WALK EVEN THOUGH SHE GAVE IT ONE HECK OF A TRY.  ALSO SHE WAS GETTING TOO MUCH FLUID IN HER LUNGS THAT LAST DAY AND IT WAS KILLING ME TO NOT BE ABLE TO HELP HER, AND I COULDN'T STAND TO WATCH HER DIE ON HER OWN LIKE THAT.  I LOVED THAT LITTLE GIRL LIKE I NEVER KNEW I COULD.  I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT GETTING ANOTHER TINY CHI LIKE SHE WAS-SHE WAS ONLY 2-PDS AT THE END.  BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE PASSED UP THE CHANCE OF SHARING THOSE YEARS WITH HER AS I DID-KNOWING WHAT I WOULD HAVE MISSED IF I HAD.  EVERYDAY I GO VISIT HER GRAVE IN MY MOM'S BACKYARD KNOWING THAT I HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL IN MY LIFE.

 

Answer by Dianne
Submitted on 4/4/2006
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wow.. isnt it simple joanne?? you should SPAY or NEUTER your dogs!!  If you dont want them to breed, they arent just going to stop trying to mate just because you dont want them to.. I think thats really irresponsible and STUPID as a pet owner.. on your part..  

 

Answer by Linda
Submitted on 4/4/2006
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By buying chihuahua's with deerlike qualitys you are just making it so breeders breed them MORE.  Thats really bad.. Im sick of stupid people..

 

Answer by Linda
Submitted on 4/4/2006
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DO NOT GET PETS AT PETSTORES..  The petstores buy the puppies from PET MILLS! If you dont know what PET MILLS ARE, they are people who have tons of different breeds of dogs and breed them for a profit.  They dont care about the genetics, or anything for the mother dogs or puppies, just as long as they get as much puppies as possible.  The dogs are provided with HARSH living conditions and are not treated as loved pets, the parents arent taken care of and are used to the end of their days for unstopped breeding.  These dogs have no lives.  The puppies are usually poorly bred and have genetic problems..  although you might get lucky and find a puppy that has no health problems..  Look up PUPPY MILLS you can find more information on them.  Buying from pet shops is just making it so PET MILLS can thrive more.. PET MILLS are runned by people who have low money and are very cruel and stupid to do this to animals.. they are living things and shouldnt be treated this way, would you want your dog to be treated this way? BETTER YET.. would you want to be treated this way?

(DOGS IN PUPPY MILLS USUALLY HAVE PARASITES POOR CONDITIONS, ARENT FED RIGHT, HAVE ALL SORTS OF HEALTH PROBLEMS AND HAVE THE WORST LIFE!)

Put a stop to PET MILLS, dont buy from pet stores..

 

Answer by Chloe
Submitted on 4/6/2006
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Yes there is such thing as a Deer head chi.

-I have an apple head chihuahua, lol, just thought you might like to know.

 

Answer by Chi-crazy
Submitted on 4/14/2006
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The bottom line is that they are ALL beautiful, loving, loyal & pure doggies, and humans need to stop treating them like material trophies. (wishing & not wishing)
Our Chi's DON'T judge us, no matter what our temper or looks.

 

Answer by `heartlover1234
Submitted on 4/22/2006
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Last summer we bought 2 Chihuahua puppies. They too looked different from "regular" chis. People would always ask me what kind of dogs they are. I had never had this small breed of dog and was almost ticked off that these people didn't know a chi when they saw one! I recently found out about deerhead chi's. I now know that I have deerhead chihuahuas. They are very sweet natured, Foxy was born blind has a slightly shorter nose than her sister and slightly buggier eyes.Baby is very, VERY strong-willed. She is too smart for her own good! She covers herself when she is cold, paws at us when we tell her "no", hides rawhide chews from her blind sister, and is more like a bad kid, than a little dog. They are having their first heats now and we do intend to breed them after their third heats. They have really beautiful faces, Baby has green eyes. Of course we can't see Foxy'seye color at all. The vet said that her retinas are there but are not normal. It's o.k., we still love her to pieces. I'm sure they will be good mommies when the time comes. They are not papered, but we know that we can get at least $250 a piece for their puppies.  

 

Answer by Mexican chihuahua
Submitted on 4/27/2006
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Jajajjaja... Yes.. working with breeders doesn't mean you know much about them. There are differences between chihuahuas.. it's like a flu virus.. there are more than 1,000 kinds of viruses but they are called FLU !!
The real chihuahua comes from Mexico and guess what ?? ITS A DEER HEADED !!!!!!!!! There are two types of chihuahuas.. deer head and apple head.. lean coat or long hair.
And trust me.. you don't know more than me.
atte,
          Mexican VET

 

Answer by JOVAN
Submitted on 6/2/2006
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I HAVE A "DEER CHIHUAHUA" NAMED HERMES. AND HE WEIGHS 15 POUNDS. AT FIRST WE THOUGHT HE WAS MIXED WITH MINIATURE GREYHOUND DUE TO HIS LONG SKINNY LEGS AND HIS VERY PETITE MUSCULAR BODY. HE HAS ALOT OF ATTITUDE AND IS SO DARLING. THAT IS WHY I NAMED HIM HERMES.  EVEN IF THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A DEER CHIHUAHUA- HE IS DEFINATLY NOT YOUR TYPICAL CHIHUAHUA. MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL.

 

Answer by kelly1965
Submitted on 6/4/2006
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finally a place to talk about chihuahua's,well let me start out by saying hello to all,i have a question that maybe someone can help me with. About 2 months ago a chihuahua showed up on my street was running the neighborhood,i never paid to much attention to the dog cause we have alot of dog owners on my street,so i played it off on being 1 of the neighbors dogs. Well after a week of seeing the chihuahua on the street day and night i was like wow i can't believe someone just leaves this little dog out like this not worrying about him,so they had bad weather 1 night and i let him come in out the weather cause he was sitting on my porch,well i went to the store and brought some dog food for him and gave him a bath and fed him,well he was in my bed sleeping with me and my husband,so the next morning i let him back out cause the weather had passed and he went off for alittle while i went on to do my normal days chores and i returned home to find him back on my porch waiting for me, me and my neighbor got together and went to everyones house on my street to see if the dog belong to anyone and everyone on my street said no it wasn't their dog,so i made up flyers and put a ad in the paper and noone called ,so i now have had the dog for over a month and not sure of his history,if he is akc regristered or anything. is there a way to tell anything about this dog?..Thanks and sorry for the long post but needed to give the whole story about the dog,i love him to death he is so wonderful and he stays by me all the time i would get crumb if someone was to take him from me,thanks again..Kelly

 

Answer by Lindsay
Submitted on 6/8/2006
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I believe that "deer" chihuahuas don't exist. I believe that chihuahuas can be like deers in a way. I have a little chihuahua who is 3 pounds 6 ounces... She is only 3 monthes old! She will probably be about 6 pounds. But, she is a happy little chihuahua. Chihuahuas aren't the same, they can be different. So it someone says that "mine is headstrong so it is different" that is not true. That is what I think.

 

Answer by iheartchis
Submitted on 6/14/2006
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i have 4 chihuahuas.
2 apple heads and 2 "Deer-heads"
they are not 2 different breeds.
but rather just a way to define their head shape.
though i have noticed the 2 apple heads have more a show-dog mentality. and the 2 deer heads have a sweeter disposition and actually play with dog toys, and eat dog food...etc.

 

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Submitted on 6/19/2006
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Answer by Nuttywoman
Submitted on 6/22/2006
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I agree with all of Chimama"s'answers.  I have 2 chi's, one is more of a deer shaped head and the other is more of a apple head.  They are both chihuahuas period.  One is long coat and one smooth coat but aka only recognizes just plain chihuahua.  Anything else is just unscrupulous breeders trying to make an extra buck on uneducated public

 

Answer by char
Submitted on 6/27/2006
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I also have a deer chihuahua.  Her name in Ginger and she is the sweetest little thing.
She indeed looks like a mini greyhound.  She does not have the bulging eyes, she is just beautiful.  I call her miss legs

 

Answer by tin
Submitted on 6/29/2006
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I have a male chihuahua first time, and he is the most wonderful dog i have ever had!!! I think these dogs come what you make of them, if you make them yappy then they will be yappy, if you let them bite and be protective they will be, chihuahuas are not a temperamental dog, they are extremely intelligent and loyal, the dog turns bad, if they have had owners that yell or hit them, so for the lady who got one from the pound, bless your heart for doing that, but please don;t blame him for how he is because you can just imagine what happened to him before he got there.  These dogs need to be stimulated.  

 

Answer by SnagHombre52
Submitted on 7/8/2006
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I am responding for my little friend "Mr.Pablo". I am a DeerHead Chi-HUA-HUA,I love my humans,I have them trained just the way I like them.Your pablum and the majority of your bantor is very agonizing to me.I am sitting on the lap of one of the most agreeable mo.fo'sthe world has ever seen,If you in your infinite wisdom keep on with this crap I will be forced to come and pay you a visit.SHUT UP! We do exist!...Get over it!

 

Answer by Lizz
Submitted on 7/13/2006
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YES THERE ARE SUCH THINGS AS DEAR LEGGED CHIHUAHUAS!!!  MY FRIEND HAS ONE HE IS A VERY CUTE PUPPY AND HE IS ALSO GREAT WITH ALL AGES OF KIDS AND HE IS VERY VERY EASY TO TRAIN!!!

 

Answer by Skip Smith
Submitted on 7/19/2006
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For all of you who say there's no such thing as a dear-head chihuahua, you're wrong!  I have one.  His little antlers are adorable!

 

Answer by aubree
Submitted on 7/22/2006
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stephanie
  I have 2 Doberman pinschers and a chihuahua who occasionally forgets that he isn't one. Our male who is just over 100lbs only tolerates so much. Bubba(my chi) with a little reprimand from me, and our Dobie, he's learned to back off.

 

Answer by Lane
Submitted on 7/23/2006
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I wish people would stop saying there is a such thing as a deer-head chihuahua.  If you read the standard, the head should be dome shaped or well rounded.  "Deer head" is a term bad breeders came up with because their stock didn't fit the standard.  Don't believe the hype.

 

Answer by Rosalie
Submitted on 8/13/2006
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I was wondering if anyone has picture of a
Deer Chihuahua.  I got my dog at the animal shelter and someone just told me she was a
Deer Chihuahua.  I had never heard of that before.  She has long legs and didn't really look like a regular Chihuahua.  I'd appreciate a picture of a Deer Chihuahua.  My E Mail address is Rosebob@Adelphia.net

 

Answer by Gemma
Submitted on 8/19/2006
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Hello, I Have a deer Chi that will be a year old next month named Gemma. I didn't get a chance to read all of your stories, but I did see a few that said people told them their chi looked like a rat terrier. Same here...almost every time someone sees her when were out somewhere. That's so funny. Oh well, I love her she is such a joy to me! I have a question about allergies. She has recently been sneezing and every once in a while I will catch her chewing on her foot and scratching her eyes. Is there anything I can do besides spending tons of money at the vet? I am student teaching and do not have a job at the moment. Also is there a certain food that is best for chis?

 

Answer by Janelle
Submitted on 8/21/2006
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First off-- this is so aggravating that people actually believe that there are different breeds within the Chihuahua breed.. There is no such thing as an apple head, a deer, or a tea cup...  These are just descriptors!!!  Has anybody ever looked at the AKC registry??  they recognize long hair and short hair that's it people!!  Nothing else..  All Chihuahua regardless of what they look like have their own personality!!  Second-- as for everybody that has brothers and sisters mating and giants and little dogs mating have any of you ever heard of spay and neuter??? I read the same thing over and over "What can we do to prevent them from mating"...  Duh!!!  Have your dog fixed and it will never happen again!!!  This is a no brainer...  Those of you who want to breed your dogs should actually think about starting your own rescue organization instead...  There are way too many animals being euthanised!!! I am with a Chihuahua rescue organization and we have over 50 in rescue right now and are turning away at least 3 a day because we don't have any more room.. Please think before you put a male and female dog together..  They don't know they shouldn't breed.. Have your animals sterilized and help stop the over population problem!!      

 

Answer by Avery
Submitted on 8/28/2006
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Ok.... I couldn't stress this more. I've read almost every comment  that was relevent on this Chihuahua dispute. Most of you who are arguing that there is no such thing as a deer chihuahua don't have a damned deer chihuahua yourself so who are you to judge? The ignorance of some of you not accepting something for what it is, is appauling.

Forget AKC rules because so many dogs have different types. Like labradors... they look as different as all the races of the world. Some are fat, thin, small, large, red, cream, pendent ears, rose ears... and some are bred just for these qualities. And dog books say they can only be such and such...But they aren't all excepted in the show ring. But that doesn't mean they don't exist!! Some dogs are bred together just make a different product and deer chihuahuas have became there own. There are deer chihuahua breeders. I know a number of people who have deer chihuahuas as well.

They aren't infact a separate breed but they are definiately different. They are more of a "type". Don't tell me any different because I, myself, own a deer chihuahua AND!!! an apple head.... unlike so many of you. They are very much different.

However they were created, inbred, whatever... they do exist. She is stubborn, definately at leats half intelligent, and is well over a year old and not house trainable. I love her to death, she is the sweetest dog. But she is definately different.

Ther is also a misconception about what a deer chihuahua actually is. They aren't at all LARGE chihuahuas. They are actually very small. They are maybe an inch taller than average apple heads but they weigh less and have very thin delicate legs, like that of a deer and their dome is less pronounced. They also have a slight arch to their back resembling a deer... or greyhound if you like. They have very fast metabolism as well.

My apple head is brilliant, he doesn't require a leash, he is wonderful with everyone and all dogs. Never bitten someone a day in his life, Has all his full bloodline papers, though he is very small. We bought him in Spain. He is so smart it's astonishing. He is a very different chihuahua though. He's the most intelligent dog I've ever met.

My Deer Chi was a rescue, she had 2 broken legs from former abuse from her previous owners. She is a delite but has many bad habits, She eats all foreign objects and leaves "gifts" all over the house. She's very hard-headed but we have learned to accept her as she is. She is about 5 inches tall and weighs just 3 pounds. She's a adorable, though. Her color resembles a min-pin except she has white accesses as well.

Deer Chihuahuas were an accidental creation but no matter what anyone says..... they are a gift, as are all dogs. They are so commonly different that they need a type to be reffered by.

You people should be more open-minded. I do agree with many of you though... I agree with Pam for one.



Her are her pictures. She's the black+ one. The apple head is the tan one.

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Answer by ChiLover
Submitted on 8/30/2006
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chilover,
I do not beleive in free feeding chi's b/c it is harder to potty train!!!
Chi's and all dogs need a schedule!!!
I have my Chi (Liberty) litter trained and it works perfectly!!!
But since you cant leave a chi outside unprotected then it is better to have a schedule time!!!
I hope i was of help!!!
Thanks,
Elyssa

 

Answer by criss
Submitted on 9/5/2006
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yes there are I have one and yeah the eyes dont protrude,and they are a lil larger than a regular chi.

 

Answer by The Chihuahua Man
Submitted on 9/8/2006
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There are no separate breeds within the chihuahua breed itself.  A chihuahua is a chihuahua.  Classifications have been given to the most common appearances - "apple head,  deer head, pocket, tea-cup, miniature, ect..." but I can assure you that they are not separate breeds - just genetic pre-disposition to their physical attributes.(head shape,legs, ears and eyes mostly).  The common reference to these shapes has led to the misconception that they are individual breeds - which they are not.  This being said, referring to your little one as "deer-head, apple head, ect..." is not a mistake - it's just using a common reference to your chihuahuas appearance.

 

Answer by danes
Submitted on 9/12/2006
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Just teach your greyhound to attack chichi like it was a rabbit. two problems solved. 1 - chichi will stop biting, 2 - your greyhound will be fed. win, win!

 

Answer by danes
Submitted on 9/12/2006
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seriously ya'll need to find something worth while to argue about. let me guess everyone posting is a stay at home, doggie spoiling moron who insists their dog is the end all be all halo'd angel that could do no wrong....yeah right, now clean the dog poop off your shoe and rethink how you spend your time

 

Answer by Kitty
Submitted on 9/13/2006
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I have a Question and would like someone to directly e-mail me.
motorcycle-mama@sympatico.ca. CONCERNING Chihuahuas.

 

Answer by danielle
Submitted on 9/14/2006
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i am glad that i found this site!  i have a little black and white chi that will be a year old this Halloween.  he is 7.8 pounds, and had the longer nose than other chis in the neighborhood.  i came online looking to find out why he looks different, and i ran into this site.  skeeter is one of the best dogs that I'veowned.  he is my baby, although he does love the rest of the family, including my four, seven, and nine year old children.  skeeter and the family cat also get along great, and when we had the quaker parrot, they too also got along great!  i have never owned a chi before, and i was always under the impression that they were all yappers, biters and little annoying dogs!  boy was i wrong, at least about my baby.  the only time he barks, is when he is playing.  he doesn't even bark when someone is knocking at the door.  when he is playing, he growls, but it's not really a normal growl, it sounds like he is talking.  i had him crate trained up until about two months ago, and he has no accidents in the house (which people have told me is hard to do with chis?)  but after seeing this site, and can continue to proudly tell people that he is a full chi, and have some info to back that up.  Thanks to all!!

 

Answer by showchi
Submitted on 9/14/2006
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to chilover: free feeding your chihuahuas is very important while they are still growing especially.  anyone with a chi will tell you that chihuahuas do not eat like other dogs, they eat very small amounts, sometimes taking one piece of kibble across the room before eating it, and not going back for another 5 minutes or so.  chihuahuas eat very little but constantly.  they use alot of energy everyday and need their nutrition!!!!  

 

Answer by showchi
Submitted on 9/14/2006
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If you want to know more about deer headed and apple headed chihuahuas along with many other chihuahua differences, just check out any site on chihuahua breed standards. other differences in the same category include the way your chis teeth go together in their mouth, how their forequarters and hind quarters stand under them, or the angles of his nose and ears.just google breed standards & check it out yourself,  

 

Answer by CHIHUAHUAEXPRT
Submitted on 9/18/2006
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Their is no such thing as a deer Chihuahua some where you got confused however their is a deer head Chihuahua chihuahuas have to types of heads apple head and deer head and apple head is shaped like an apple a deer head looks like a deer and their forheads slope down and it looks like a deer head.their is also not such thing as a deer apple head chihuaha but for some people it
may be hard to tell but chances are if its head is a big apple shape like the toco bell dog it is probably a apple head Chances are you will be able to tell if it is an apple head or deer head my Mini Chihuahuas parents were apple and deer she is apple and apple is the most common so apple is a ressive trait

 

Answer by Courtney
Submitted on 9/27/2006
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silvia your dalmations puppies are all black because the parents are brother and sister

 

Answer by LADDY'SPADDY
Submitted on 9/29/2006
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I HAVE A TEACUP B/W SPOTTED (BLUE EYE CAST) CHIHUAHUA ... WHO LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE A RAT TERRIER I THINK.  HE IS VERY MELLOW AND INTELLIGENT.  I DON'T THINK HE IS A DEER HEAD-- WHICH IS JUST A SLIGHTLY LONGER SNOUT FROM WHAT I HAVE LEARNED.  HE IS NOT MEAN AND SNIPPY LIKE MY DAUGHTER'S "DOMED HEADED" CHIHUAHUA.  i THINK HIS PROFILE IS KIND OF LIKE A SHORT MICKEY MOUSE SILOUETTE.  HE HAS LOVELY BIG BRIGHT EYES ... MY DAUGHTER'S DOG IS BLOND WITH GREEN TINT EYES ... BUT ARE NOT CENTERED BUT RATHER LATERAL.
AND I AGREE THAT A CHIHUAHUA IS A CHIHUAHUA.  WE HAVE LABS DESCENDED FROM THE TOP DOGS IN THE U.S. AND ARE AKC ... BUT ONE OF THE LABS IS CRAZY ... SO WHAT'S THE POINT -- AKC PEOPLE ALSO ARE NOT VERY HUMANE AT TIMES TOO -- LOOK AT ALL THE TAIL DOCKING AND EAR CUTTING.  SAVAGES!  ANYWAY .. ALL OUR 5 DOGS (2 LABS, 1 SHIH tZU AND 2 CHIHUAHUAS) ARE AKC --
WE TRIED RESCUE BUT THAT DOG TRIED TO KILL THE OTHER ANIMALS.  I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO GET IN AT LEAST A GENERAL WAY SO WE GO FOR THE AKC GENERAL STANDARD.  

 

Answer by LADDY'SPADDY
Submitted on 9/29/2006
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I HAVE A TEACUP B/W SPOTTED (BLUE EYE CAST) CHIHUAHUA ... WHO LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE A RAT TERRIER I THINK.  HE IS VERY MELLOW AND INTELLIGENT.  I DON'T THINK HE IS A DEER HEAD-- WHICH IS JUST A SLIGHTLY LONGER SNOUT FROM WHAT I HAVE LEARNED.  HE IS NOT MEAN AND SNIPPY LIKE MY DAUGHTER'S "DOMED HEADED" CHIHUAHUA.  i THINK HIS PROFILE IS KIND OF LIKE A SHORT MICKEY MOUSE SILOUETTE.

GET A PLAY PEN FOR YOUR FEMALE UNTIL ALL IS OVER.  

 

Answer by chihuahuarockz101
Submitted on 10/4/2006
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yes there are such things as a deer chihuahua. they are so cute .my sister believes there are well thats my answer it is true so believe it! lol

 

Answer by chihuahuarockz101
Submitted on 10/4/2006
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stephanie i'm your type of woman you need to give your chihuahua another room for itself or the bigger dog or just keep them separate in two different rooms thats my choice write me back if it's a good idea or try it and then write me. love chihuahuarockz101

 

Answer by jenni_86
Submitted on 10/7/2006
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hi my name is jennifer and i have recently purchased a tea cup chihuahua i dont know exactly how big he is going to be, he is about 3 months old and doesnt even weigh a pound, how much bigger do you think he will get?

 

Answer by Katie
Submitted on 10/7/2006
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Last month, my daughter rescued an adorable "deer chihuahua" from the pound.  When she first got the call, she was told he was a rat terrier.  When she went to see him, they had crossed out rat terrier and written in chihuahua on his tag.  He was four months old, as skinny as a skeleton, and had terrible blisters on his feet.

Now that he's home, he is mellow, smart, cuddly, and a definate lap dog. He is very loving and catches on very quickly to any new trick or behavior.  We love him!  He's white with fawn spots, long and lean with long legs, and around 3 pounds.
He's an incredible dog, I would recommend a "deer chihuahua" to anyone.

 

Answer by Roxy
Submitted on 10/17/2006
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Deer chihuahuas and apple headed chihuahuas are both just physical characteristics of a given dog. They are not a sub breed of chihuahuas, just like there is no such thing as a "teacup" chihuahua. They just happen to be smaller.
I am Mexican but with green eyes, light brown hair and light skin. does it mean I'm a different category of Mexican? NO I'M JUST MEXICAN.
the same way, there is only one breed of chihuahuas but in that breed you find physical variations.
the only classification you can actually talk about is their hair. (short of long)

 

Answer by Roxy
Submitted on 10/17/2006
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Deer chihuahuas and apple headed chihuahuas are both just physical characteristics of a given dog. They are not a sub breed of chihuahuas, just like there is no such thing as a "teacup" chihuahua. They just happen to be smaller.
I am Mexican but with green eyes, light brown hair and light skin. does it mean I'm a different category of Mexican? NO I'M JUST MEXICAN.
the same way, there is only one breed of chihuahuas but in that breed you find physical variations.
the only classification you can actually talk about is their hair. (short of long)

 

Answer by channy
Submitted on 11/2/2006
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Chimama do you have a private email address so i can ask you some questions about by chi baby.

 

Answer by Deb
Submitted on 11/5/2006
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We also have a "Deer" looking chihuahua (female, 3.5 lbs) that should have been named Bambi for the obvious reason except her name is Chewy.  My question today is if I want to find a mate for Chewy is it going to make a difference on the size of the male that as to what size puppies she will have? Chewy is small and scrawnie but very cute and freindly.  If small dogs are wanted should the male be small?

 

Answer by Heat
Submitted on 11/5/2006
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Yes there is such things as Deer Chihuahuas!!! I have happened to own one thank you very much...and they are not called Deer Head Chihuahuas...they are Deer Chihuahuas...Mine just happened to pass away tonight from old age...she had the long legs like a deer and the head like a deer...and was an awesome dog, you should get yourself one..

 

Answer by Heat
Submitted on 11/5/2006
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Yes there is such things as Deer Chihuahuas!!! I have happened to own one thank you very much...and they are not called Deer Head Chihuahuas...they are Deer Chihuahuas...Mine just happened to pass away tonight from old age...she had the long legs like a deer and the head like a deer...and was an awesome dog, you should get yourself one..

 

Answer by Heat
Submitted on 11/5/2006
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as for the one who asked why her dog that had puppies with her BROTHER, and one of the puppies were born without a leg...LIKE OMG! They are brother and sister, INBRED!!! I like the fact you all TRIED but didn't succeed...have them puppies checked they could also have mental problems do any of them shake, neurological problems can occure...have them checked....

 

Answer by Sue
Submitted on 11/11/2006
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Just saw a "Deer Head" chihuahua in the grooming shop today.  As an dog judge, I can tell you these are a "designer" dog (mix)that is a mix between an Italian Greyhound and a Chihuahua.  Both breeds are very distinguishable in the dog.  The head and ears are those of the Italian Greyhound, the body more of the Chihuahua and the temperment (on the one that was in today) was more like the Italian Greyhound.

 

Answer by ChihuahuaLover101
Submitted on 11/16/2006
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stephanie, nice question here is my answer, keep them in different rooms and they might learn their lesson in about attacking each other so tell me if that helped OK? bye!

 

Answer by dee
Submitted on 11/17/2006
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There is scientific reasoning that a deer chihuahua is a real breed (or category of a chihuahua)I have one named baby.The vet said she is a deer chihuahua!!

 

Answer by Mickey
Submitted on 12/1/2006
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There are different names for various characteristics of chihuahuas. There are what is usually referred to as "deer faced" and the other is called an "apple head".  The dear faced have a longer, more slender nose and bigger ears.  They actually look like a deer in the face.  The Taco Bell dog is an example.  The "apple head" has a shorter more rounded nose and usually eyes that are more protruding.  I have had both.  They are both chihuahuas and both kinds can come out of the same litter.  Both types are purebred and can have papers.  Just like there are long and short hair chihuahuas.

 

Answer by maddy
Submitted on 12/2/2006
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apleheaded chihuahua DO EXIST HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

Answer by moribelle
Submitted on 12/8/2006
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I have a 5mo. old "deer" chi -- she is lovely and graceful and mellow.  My male german shepherd (12yrs) is her best friend,  and her favorite place to sit is on top of him. Now I know there really is a "deer" type chi,  and I'm glad she's a part of our family. Oh,  and did I mention she's the color of a fawn,  with graceful long legs  that are confirmationally correct to her body type?  People, please, I think she is the "standard" size chihuahua,  just as there is a "standard" size poodle,  get my meaning?  Before "they" bred all the size out of them.  I feel she is very "old world", the standard of yesterday.  What a regal personality she has,  even for a pup.

 

Answer by BrittBratt
Submitted on 12/13/2006
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I have a Chihuahua and she looks different than most. She has long slender legs and has a small little face. She is 2.5 pounds and I love her to death, why does she look so different?

 

Answer by sidney_jae
Submitted on 12/17/2006
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i have a deer-head chihuahua,and her name is Bucky...She's so sweet,but if she don't know you,she'll try to eat you up.she wont bite you or  anything,but she'll scare you..and make you think she's gonna bite you!and also...chimama...YES THERE IS DEER HEAD CHIHUAHUAS!!I got one...think what you want!! i know what my dog is!

 

Answer by kelci meilo's mom
Submitted on 12/20/2006
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hmm..... well i got my dog at the flea market .the peolpe there did not no very much english and they said he was a bambi dog / apple head or at least thats wat i think they said.he looks like a baby german shepard. except he has a lot of wrinkles in his head. especially when he is nervous or scared. and he does this weird thing with his paws that looks like hes praying or or swimming or boxing or something he puts one on top of the other and moves them up and down if someone knows what thats all about please tell me cuz im stumped...he is very sweet and loveable but he does'ntreally like men....

 

Answer by kelci meilo's mom
Submitted on 12/20/2006
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hmm..... well i got my dog at the flea market .the people there did not no very much English and they said he was a Bambi dog / apple head or at least thats what i think they said.he looks like a baby German Shepard. except he has a lot of wrinkles in his head. especially when he is nervous or scared. and he does this weird thing with his paws that looks like hes praying or or swimming or boxing or something he puts one on top of the other and moves them up and down if someone knows what thats all about please tell me cuz I'm stumped...he is very sweet and lovable but he doesn'treally like men....

 

Answer by sweettweet7
Submitted on 12/23/2006
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hello,i read some of your opinion on deer head chihuahuas,i have 6 and 1 applehead chihuahuas.lovely dogs.chihuahuas are chihuahuas and yes they do look different in some ways.plus i do have 2 blue and tan deer head pups (chihuahuas)and im selling them to good homes only.

 

Answer by Katrina
Submitted on 1/4/2007
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My mom received a chi a few months ago. She wasn't in the market for a dog, so I brought him home to live with me. I thought it would be a temporary situation, but I fell in love with the little guy. We had never had such a tiny dog before. He gets along well with my other dogs, a pit bull and a boxer. He has never been very aggressive toward anyone, but recently, he has been growling when "strangers", family members whom we has had little or no contact with, come into the house. I understand that he is probably scared, but this is brand new behavior. He used to let anybody pet him. He is the worst with small children. He is my baby, so he hardly ever has to walk anywhere, so when the children pet him, he is right there on my lap. I am able to supervise and so I know that the children aren't being loud around him or petting him too rough. What could be the source of the aggression? I know if I were as small as he is, I would be a little wary of people, too. I just thought maybe other chi owners could offer some advise.
Thanks!!

 

Answer by Ashley B
Submitted on 1/5/2007
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Reading all these inputs about "deer" chihuahuas has made me come to my own possible conclusion as to why these dogs look so deerlike.  I was once at a petstore that was selling chi/IG mix pups.  these babies had the body/build of an Italian Greyhound(maybe not as thin..but definately gracefully slender), but when you looked at their faces, you could no doubt see the chi in them.  this is what i think could be the so called "deer" chihuahua.  either the dog is 1/2 IG or it has some IG in its lineage somewhere.  most chihuahuas i have seen from breeders are the somewhat short-legged, round headed, big eared dogs that are the breed standard.

 

Answer by bryanne
Submitted on 1/12/2007
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Whoever suggested there is no such breed as the Deer Chi was misinformed.  I own a Mexican Chocolate Deer Legged Chihuahua I bought him from a breeder in Puerto Vierta for 400 Canadian dollars.  I neutered him at 5 months and my soul purpous when i bought him was for companianship and a friend for my son.  The comment in regards to people who buy these breeds of dogs for only the money making oppertunities are dead wrong.  

 

Answer by Dedee
Submitted on 1/19/2007
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I just rescued a "Deer Chi" from the pound. It's the best dog I have ever had.  He is 2 years old and weighs 9 lbs.  He is the ideal lap dog.  He doesen't chew bite and rarely barks he is very loving.  He gets along well with the cat we have.  I'm happy with him.  And for anyone who thinks they are undesirable, he is beautiful.

 

Answer by monica
Submitted on 1/26/2007
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I have several 'Deer' head chi's.  I personally like them better.  Although, I would like to give away two of them.  Females, 7mos.  House trained. They are twin sisters. If interested, monica29829@comcast.net

 

Answer by tinabrooke
Submitted on 2/3/2007
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I have a deer chi too. So there has to be a such thing as one. She is adorable.

 

Answer by molly dolly
Submitted on 2/15/2007
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Yes. A deer chihuahua is a mix of a dauchsund and a chihuahua.

 

Answer by mystklady8@sbcglobal.net
Submitted on 3/2/2007
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Wow, I just read all the notes on the Chihuahua... I must say the postings were kinda old but good infomation...I am about to bring home a "Deer Chihuahua", yes you got that right!   She is adorable and looking for a great friend in her companionsip... Yes, they can be snippy but it depends on the owner... teach love and you will get love...

 

Answer by IluvmyCHIS
Submitted on 3/17/2007
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stephanie - mate ur chi = She needs to be fixed or mate already! I have two males and the younger one mated first (apple head Bruno)and since he mated he is a different dog. My old chi which is the smallest one i have hasnt and still is like a young crazy puppy

 

Answer by ChickenChi
Submitted on 3/17/2007
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Ok, moving on to a new subject, i have what i've heard is called a chicken chihuahua. He likes to walk on his back 2 legs and occasionally makes a clucking noise when he is ready to mate. They're a morning dog where as most chi's are not. Its true. He also has a very cowardly tempermant, he is afraid of everything. At night, when he is tired, he can be a mean little pecker. He loves to eat paper, and has a special liking for corn meal. He has a slightly pointier snout, and dark beady eyes. We got our beloved chicken chi from a professional breeder in Belize.

 

Answer by Anna
Submitted on 3/19/2007
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There is a Deer Chihuahua!!!! We have one!!! She is 4 years old and energetic like a pup. White with brown patches, curled tail, long legs, long snout. Well every description of the deer chi's. Bounces like there isn't any gravity. She is a wonderful animal.

 

Answer by 702Chihuahuas
Submitted on 3/20/2007
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From my experience with the deer type Chi's
they are very simiular to the Apple heads the only diffrence is that they appear to be more sleak and muscler looking. About a inch to two inchs taller then a small apple head toy chi. Weighing in at about one to possibly two pounds more then a five pound apple head. Again the eyes are smaller but still protrude like the famouse chihuahua eyes. The snout and mouth are a little longer and the shape of the ears have a wave like appearence kind of like a dear again diffrent then the traditional apple head bat like ears. I also noticed that the temperment between the two diffrent styles of the toy chihuahua breed is that Deer like chi's are more skitish, faithful and a little more aggressive. personally in my opinion they are a diffrent style or type of a toy chihuahua but all in fact the same breed just special like the tea cup, long hair or even a blue chihuahua.

If you would like to see pictures of my personal deer and apple head chihuahuas and the diffrences please either click the address or copy in paste in browser.

http://360.yahoo.com/profile-3yirERAyc68N01zn0nqC0rJOnGDL

 

Answer by Paul_V
Submitted on 3/23/2007
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My deer chihuahua is big...10 pounds. She loves to eat :)

 

Answer by Anthony Lomond
Submitted on 3/25/2007
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just writing a note because i just bought a chi a few  weeks ago and up until then that was the first i ever hear of a "Deer chihuahua" so i had came here to feed myself with information about the difference. but i soon learn that there are no such name as the "Deer Chi" just  a nickname. Also i would like to add that my "Deer Chi" is the best darn dog i ever had. the Girlfriend had owned one her whole like and even said this was an excellent dog. Gets along with cats loves to cuddle and sleep at the foot of the bed. we bought it at 18 months (the owner had to move) and we have owned it for about 3 weeks now and i yet have to hear him bark. But any way wanna thank you "Chimama" i respect your knowledge about the breed and reading your responses helped.

 

Answer by chichi
Submitted on 3/31/2007
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There is only one type of chihuahua
but they are put into different categories so chimama you are wrong.

 

Answer by Ashley3284
Submitted on 4/13/2007
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YES there is such a thing as a deer chihuahua.  They are not recognized by AKC, but many breeders do breed them intentionally.  They often live longer than an appleheaded chihuahua or a teacup might.  

 

Answer by Katie
Submitted on 4/15/2007
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I was wondering the same thing because once I was in a pet store with my fawn/blue colored chi and some little girl came up to me and asked if he was a deer chihuahua. I had no idea what she was talking about. After looking at him, he really did look like a deer! I decided to do a little research to find out more.

 

Answer by YungHwie
Submitted on 4/17/2007
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Hello! I just adopted a 2 year old Chi from the humane society and fell in love with his unique personality and look. My boyfriend was walking him the other day and a tow truck driver actually pulled over to see him. He mentioned that he looked like a reindeer chi. He's very sweet, loves to burrow under blankets, and is such a busy body (curious about everybody and their dogs as they pass on our walks). His name is Uisce ("ish-kah"). While reading this thread I was surprised to read about so many people who were disappointed that their puppy didn't grow up to be apple-headed because deer chis are more adorable in my opinion. I'm also surprised that deer chis are commonly larger dogs because Uisce is only about 4 or 5 lbs and is super skinny. On a side note, smaller dogs are harder to find at shelters but there are Chis for adoption; you just have to look around and be a little patient.

 

Answer by Giant_deerchi
Submitted on 4/19/2007
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My giant deer chi is 4 months and weighs 7 pounds.  If what I hear is true- my chi will be 14 pounds?!?!?!  

He eats like he's starving and he's very playful.  People also tell me that his head is too small for his body.

Oh well, he's my baby Huey.  He loves his 1 pound - 2 month chi playmate.  Hopefully, he won't mount her.  

 

Answer by doglover15
Submitted on 5/4/2007
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We'll my advice would be if your not goin to breed the chihuahua to fix her so the whole prob stops....or you can keep her seperate from the greyhound while she is in heat.

 

Answer by CHI EXPERT
Submitted on 5/13/2007
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im a former breeder of chiuauahua in mexico in the state of tamaulipas i did that for 30 years my daugher is a vet in usa and indeed there are 2 diferent chiuahuas with caracteristics similar  both are very brave for their size and indeed the deer -like chiuahua is slim, biger ears large mouth large legs and have a body that resembles a doberman the apple head is more  muscular, slighltly small ears less large mouth more round and big head , short leg and more athletic than the deer-like chiuahuas they are not diferent breed , they should be but-it is not considered thanks

 

Answer by HuaHuaMama
Submitted on 5/16/2007
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Hey there. I'm new to this Chihuahua thing too. I have a 1 year old "deer" looking chi named Petey. We loved him so much that we recently adopted a 4 month old "apple" little girl named Maggie. I'm so glad i found this site. I have heard that "there isn't such as a deer vs apple". Now by having one of each, I see that there are definitely different looks and characteristic in them. Thanks to chimama and dobyblu for all their input. At least i know that i'mnot crazy. I thought this past year that i really must have a Rat Terrier in Petey and not a Chi. But after all i'veread, he's definitely the "deer" style. He tends to be very loyal and stubborn but more loving and social than Maggie. Maggie is the typical "Yippy and Nippy" bug-eyed Chi. She's a feisty woman. They love each other. I guess opposites DO attract ! Thanks guys.

 

Answer by Tino's Mamacita
Submitted on 6/28/2007
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Tampa's greatest

 

Answer by Tino's Mamacita
Submitted on 6/28/2007
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I am a first time dog owner, and I bought a 8 week old chi- I saw both parents, and like almost everyone I was a little disappointed by the fact that my Tino (she's a girl) had flop ears and a long nose, elongated body and long legs,I even said when she learned how to run that she prances like a deer. One characteristic I haven't heard is how much my Tino looks like a fox. She is white underbellied and fawn/red on top, with her long nose and long hair around her face and plumage for a tail,  she looks just like a fox. What a treat to find this website to help answer some questions. No matter where I take her people always ask me "What kind of dog is that" and when I answer Chihuahua, they ALWAYS say, "Are you sure?" Now I can say that my dog is a deer chihuahua, and yes I am a true believer that they do exist, although I also believe its just a characteristic in the breed.

 

Answer by Molly
Submitted on 7/3/2007
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I have a huge amount of questions, so let me just give you my complete situation:


My friend Aaron gave me a one year old female chihuahua that belonged to his mother. Aaron's mother had tragically died in a car accident, and the little dog just didn't fit in with his life schedule. =[  I've had the little angel for over a year, now and decided to get another girl chi, so...

I bought a 9 week old cream chi 3 days ago from a breeder who lived an hour away. She was 500 dollars, ( and is now priceless.) but didn't come with papers.

I know to be AKC would jack up the prices immensly but are there supposed to be ANY papers involved? registration? bloodlines? for 500 dollars I would think so... It may just be the "cost of the breed." or whatever,  but I've never purchased any dog before, so I don't know.

The breeder also said, he gave her her fist vaccine himself, how do I prove that to a doctor? Or when I take her to get groomed. Out here in San Francsisco you have to have proof of vaccines for EVERYTHING.

On a side note, Aaron gave me shot records for my first girl, and he also said the dog is AKC registered, but he didn't know where the papers were. Is there a way to track them down?

Any help would be wonderful. Thanks in advance.




 

Answer by shrncraven
Submitted on 7/3/2007
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yes there is a such thing as a deer head Chihuahua i have a male deer head and he is ckc registered and he is a beautiful dog and has a personality all of his own

 

Answer by Mia
Submitted on 7/11/2007
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Funny to see the whole "Apple" vs. "Deer" debate in temperment. In my family (myself, cousin, aunt) we have a total of seven "deer" chihuahuas and they are all fabulous dogs (none are related.) I think each dog has it's own personality but personally all the yappy, stubborn, and aggressive chi's I've been around have been "apples". LOL! Just food for thought...b/c the whole debate is ridiculous actually. By the way my little "deer" chi is about seven, was fearful and unsocialized when I adopted her last year and with intense socialization and gently training she is the best little lass ever. People who say they have never liked a chi love my little lady.

 

Answer by toby
Submitted on 7/11/2007
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Yes there as such a thing called deer head chihuahua, my little chi is chocolate colored and is slim with long legs. She is very quite except when people come to the door and she barks very loud. She has very large ears and is just so cute. Her name is Tanzy

 

Answer by strawberrycupccake
Submitted on 7/15/2007
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i have one chihuahua named tizz she is the best thing in the world!! i have an apple head and she is the sweetest creature. she loves to sleep under the covers and on heating pads. when she gets excited she spins in circles. there is such a thing as deer headed chihuahua. just another chararistic of chihuahua. like apple head and tea cup. they just look different. apple heads are the cuteest though! lol.

 

Answer by stephnmax
Submitted on 7/15/2007
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i have a "deerhead" he is really little maybe 2lbs. small paws big eyes and so very cute... the vet told me what he was cause i didn't know... so why would people like a vet lie when there is no such thing???? have a question how big is he supposed to get???

 

Answer by Chi Chi 4ever
Submitted on 7/16/2007
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Hi chilover,

Little dogs can become hypoglycemic (low blood sugar) if not fed properly. I leave very little food out all day for my Chi because he needs to eat a few kibbles throughout the day. He may only eat 2-3 kibbles at a time because he needs food all day long. Setting feeding times may not work because Chi's tend to eat very little at a time. You may find your Chi lethargic if he/she doesn't get enough to eat. They are not big dogs, therefore their stomachs are very tiny. It's best to sit maybe 2-3 teaspoons of kibble/dogfood for them so they can eat when they need to. Most Chi's only eat because they have to, not because they like it. My Chi only pigs out on certain things, he eats to stay alive (unless it's tuna or salmon).

Take Care!

 

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