Can anyone tell me what has happened to the Green Dragon...

Answer by sgamer1770
Submitted on 6/19/2006
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Hello, I was also searching for these answers. I recently took a Kung Fu class. To do the snake exercises first procede into horse stance. To do so, squat so that your legs would start to burn after several minutes. Your knees should not move over your feet. To start the snake, extend the arm out so that the upper arm points to the floor and the lower arm is about 10 to 15 degrees below what is parallel to the floor. Your arm should be in a position about to do a dumbell curl. Make a first with the thumb outside the hand tucked into the "eye of the tiger" or the hole made from curling the fingers. Next, tighten the whole arm and slowly pull the arm forward as if you were lifting a dumbell. The tension you put into this motion is the isometrics. Continue this curl until the arm is fully constricted and the upper arm is pressed against the lower arm. From this point, flex your fist down as much as you can. There will be some pain, or tension in your upper arm. From this point, rotate the fist clockwise 180 degrees. It should now be facing away from you. Unroll the fingers slowing with tension and control as if you were unrolling a carpet. When your hand is completely unraveled is should be a palm, fingers together, perpendicular to the floor. Push this palm forward until your reach is fully extended. This will work the forearm (I think its the muscle on top of the upper arm). Once your hand is fully extended, (The next part is hard to describe) rotate your palm (with tension of course) so that the palm is facing toward you and the fingers are parallel to the floor. This sets up the muscle and tigthens it for the next part of the exercise. Your hand should be pointed now to the right, palm facing you. It should be feeling a little awkward. From this point, rotate your hand using your arm as an axis. You should be able to turn it a little more than 180 degrees. Once you turn it as far as you can, roll the fingers slowly back into a fist. Slowly return the arm back to its starting position. Each arm snake takes no more than 15- 30 seconds for one arm. Repeat the process for the other arm but for any turning decribed, do it in the opposite direction. As one arm is being work, the other arm should be kept tense. remember, you only get what you put into it, so keep as much tension as possible. Sean M-ILS

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Question by Patrick
Submitted on 4/10/2004
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Can anyone tell me what has happened to the Green Dragon school of Kung Fu,previously located in Talmadge Ohio,or its Director Sifu John allen. i can find no contact numbers either on the internet or otherwise. I live in New Zealand,so any informatio will be appreciated.

Answer by Jeff
Submitted on 6/10/2004
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I worked with them in 88 while at KSU. They sponsered an intramural martial arts group. I was looking for someone who remembered a isometric fist exercise that called snake or dragon or something. They used to say that you should do it 5 times the first day and 1 additional time every day thereafter till you get to 100. I would like to try it again, but I can't recall all the moves. I cannot find any listing for the school in the phone book. Sorry.

Answer by grasshopper
Submitted on 7/2/2004
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You can still find their ad in Inside kungfu still selling the forms that they make up

Answer by ALISTAIR FROM LONDON
Submitted on 9/13/2004
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GRASSHOPPER IS SOMEWHAT DISRESPECTFUL, ESPECIALLY IN AN OPEN FORUM WITH NO COME BACK. HOWEVER IT IS TRUE THAT THEIR AD IS STILL IN INSIDE KUNG FU.

Answer by kung fu dude
Submitted on 10/21/2004
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probably admitted to the nut house...

Answer by Abdul Haleem
Submitted on 11/1/2004
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Green Dragon Studios c/o Sifu John R. Allen P.O. Box 1601 Stow, OH 44224

Answer by Jeremy
Submitted on 12/8/2004
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Jeff, I believe that the exercise you're talking about is called the Snake (Reptile) Turns Over. Start in a horse stance w/both fists pulled back to the hips. Extend right fist out, then pull forearm up until fist is shoulder level. Fist rotates until it is facing away from the body. Hand opens up to an open palm, which pushes away from the body. Palm then "wraps" as if twisting around an opponent's limb, then becomes a fist again and pulls back to the hip. As it comes back, the opposite hand comes out for its turn.

Answer by SavateNJ
Submitted on 1/30/2005
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The exercise is called "Snake Turns Over". It consists of 10 reps, adding one rep each day until you reach 100. Then you do 100 reps per day for ten day. After that, you do 30 each day to retain your strength gains from the exercise.

Answer by Wade
Submitted on 3/18/2005
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The isometric exercise that was taught in their program at KSU was called "Snake Turns Over". It involved getting into the mabu horse stance and doing ten reps on each arm the first day. Then you added one rep per day until you were doing one hundred. You then did one hundred reps each day for ten days straight. The kicker was that, if you missed a day, you had to start back at ten. I was at 82 when I got hit by a nasty flu bug...needless to say I wasn't happy. :-)

Answer by G
Submitted on 3/30/2005
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The technique you are speaking of is called "snake rolls over." Green Dragon club is still active.

Answer by Joseph
Submitted on 7/19/2005
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If they make up their forms they are pretty good at it. It looks like authentic chinese material. I think they do sell a strength program video with that exercise on it. Like the previous message states - see IKF.

Answer by Lost_Bit
Submitted on 8/29/2005
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Ashland University has a club that is supervised by a student of Sifu Allen. They are still meeting somewhere near the cleveland area. I do not know how to contact them however.

Answer by Plum Blossom
Submitted on 9/19/2005
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You must not know much about the group if you say they make up forms ... Mr. Allen has always had direct access to the real stuff. While I was training with them, I had the the opportunity to meet some of the people Mr. Allen trained under and saw some of the Chinese masters perform. The school still exists with several branches in the area. As for the exercise described, it sounds like 'Snake Turns Over', it is a basic forearm strengthening exercise.

Answer by sbowers2
Submitted on 10/29/2005
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Jeff - I believe the exercise you mentioned is called "snake turns over." It works VERY well! You'll see the results long before you reach 100 per day.

Answer by Dude
Submitted on 3/12/2006
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Hey, the exercise set you are thinking of is called snake turns over. It is part of a larger set and I don't know the name of that. Could anyone help me out.

Answer by stang
Submitted on 4/4/2006
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I believe that those were called arm drags. You started with 10 for 10 days and then added one each day till you hit 100. Basically you were in a horse stance, fists at the waist & palm up--clenched, curled your arm up with closed fist facing you, when it reached the top you turned the fist outward and then slowly opened it as you projected the arm out to full extension and the palm would start to open and be facing out as if to block. You then turn back to clenched fist, draw back to shoulder and then return down to waist. Repeat to other side.

Answer by kung fu practioner
Submitted on 4/9/2006
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For anyone interested. It was called Snake turns over (the isometric fist exercise). I can explain the moves if interested. Please contact me. debert5416@aol.com thanks.

Answer by Franklin Fong
Submitted on 7/21/2006
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The forms presented by Green Dragon are authentic. "grasshopper"= sad and pathetic internet troll with an axe to grind, possibly out of jealousy.

Answer by BIG ED
Submitted on 10/29/2006
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i trained with John Allen in the 70s amd 80s The exercise is called the "Snake Crane" The movements are quite simple. you start with then and work up to 100.

Answer by mike
Submitted on 11/30/2006
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I was also in the intramural class in 89,90 good class, great work out, of course everyone has some problem with them, but what school isnt under scrutiny? Any way, I was the guy taking the notes after class and the arm conditioning is called snake turns over. I dont know if the class is still in practice or if you will get this as this response was made in 2006. They are a reclusive group and dont entertain the social crap people bring to them. Too busy training to spend time on a computer.

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