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Answer by kim
Submitted on 4/6/2004
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Excerpt from a recent newspaper article regarding Rochville University: Mike Mather Investigates Diploma Mills - Degrees Without Taking Classes Email to a Friend Printer Friendly Version Your NewsChannel 3's Mike Mather (Norfolk, VA, February 17th, 2004, 7:54 p.m.) Riley Golski is learning to count change, tell time and make compound words. By all measures, he�s one of the brightest students at Norfolk�s Taylor Elementary. So bright is Riley that his grasp of recreational sports recently earned him a college degree. He'll be the first to tell you he isn't qualified. �I don't know lots of stuff, yet,� he said, barely glancing up from the day�s coloring project. Riley�s degree came from a �diploma mill,� one of hundreds of Internet-based businesses that promise university credentials and transcripts for as little as a few hundred dollars. Investigators say it is a $200-million-a-year industry that often dispenses undergraduate and advanced degrees in exchange for little or no academic work. To see how much � or how little � one of these businesses would scrutinize the life and educational experience of an applicant, NewsChannel 3 applied to Rochville University using Riley�s unembellished accomplishments. Because of Riley�s athletic background, we asked for a degree in �exercise science� from a list of dozens. We paid $75 extra to have the transcripts reflect a 3.5 grade-point average. We were also given to option of �back dating� the degree to the date of our choice. Rochville granted the degree for about $300, no questions asked. The university also provided car decals and a verification service that potential employers would contact if they were unsure of the degree. �Usually the employer is interested in verification of the documents only, for which Rochville University provides an excellent verification system, where complete authentication of the degrees and certificates is provided,� the university wrote to us while we were still pretending to be Riley. �This service verifies that the degrees obtained are authentic and meet certain eligibility criteria.� Rochville University�s professional web presence didn't surprise Dr. Anne Savage. �It is very easy to set up a fake diploma mill, a fake school, on the Internet,� said Savage, who heads the distance learning department of Old Dominion University. That department allows students to attend or view classes without ever being at the university. Savage says she doesn't have much sympathy for degree-seekers who knowingly cut corners in the pursuit of phony credentials, but she also worries some questionable universities may be misleading well-intentioned applicants by overselling the clout of their degrees. In those cases, she says an applicant�s money would be better spent on an accredited school. �The fact that someone takes advantage of them breaks my heart,� she said. �It�s not right. It angers me.� A federal investigation is underway to see how many of the nation�s top government and Pentagon employees gained jobs or promotions by using credentials from either diploma mills, or other types of correspondence schools that are not accredited. �No contender for a job � whether it's in the private sector or federal government � should lose out to a candidate because that candidate holds a bogus degree,� Virginia congressional representative Tom Davis told the Associated Press last month. Davis, a Republican, is one of two legislators who've asked the Government Accounting Office to examine the resumes of top government and Pentagon leaders. The investigation was sparked when a Washington-based industry newspaper revealed a top government officer held degrees that didn't require academic work. An investigation by Government Computer News showed that Laura Callahan, the former deputy chief information officer of the Homeland Security Department, �bought� three degrees from Wyoming-based Hamilton University. According to the trade publication, Hamilton awards degrees based on life experience and not coursework. Callahan is on leave during the investigation. Davis has asked for a more broad investigation. The questioned education falls into two general categories. First, there are the diploma mills that award degrees based on an applicant�s �life experience� rather than on traditional academics. For a fee of a fee hundred to a few thousand dollars, an applicant can gain degrees the university promises to vouch for if ever questioned by an employer. The second type are schools that may offer degrees for a combination of academic work and life experience, even though their institutions are not recognized by traditional accreditation agencies. In some states, like Oregon, using a bogus degree to get a job or promotion can be a crime. That�s one reason the Oregon Department of Education keeps the largest known government listing of diploma mills and questionable universities. A NewsChannel 3 search of online resumes also found dozens of people in Virginia and North Carolina claiming education or degrees from both diploma mills and the unaccredited institutions listed by Oregon. We found teachers, clergy, authors, lecturers, military personnel, a high-ranking emergency medical director, and even a state delegate claiming degrees or education from questionable sources. The state delegate, Lionell Spruill Sr., lists �Pacific Western University� on his state resume. After a 1997 lawsuit, that Hawaii-based university now carries disclaimers on its web site that the academic curriculum is not accredited by any agency recognized by the Secretary of Education. Oregon lists Pacific Western University on its roster of �substandard� institutions. Spruill represents parts of Chesapeake and Suffolk. Despite what his resume listed last month, Spruill told NewsChannel 3 that he did not hold a degree from Pacific Western. �I took some correspondence courses� through the school, he said. �I did not get a degree.� When told his official House of Delegates biography listed him as holding a bachelors degree, he said, �that�s wrong.� He promised to fix the overstatement. Spruill�s current biography lists education at Pacific Western, but does not include a degree. The �Doctorate of Laws� Spruill lists on his resume is an honorary degree. As for Rochville University, it was easier to gain the degree for a first-grader than it has been to locate the school. None of the university�s numerous Internet pages lists an address. The fax number goes to Imlay, Nev. The school�s domain name lists an apartment building in Malden, Mass., as its address. The web site is routed through a server in St. Louis. When, still posing as Riley Golski, we asked Rochville administrators where the campus was, this was the reply: �Rochville University is an online Accredited University, operating from USA . All transactions and verifications are done electronically and all communication takes place via Internet, e-mail or fax.� When we contacted the school again, but this time as NewsChannel 3, no one ever wrote us back. But they did email us as Riley, offering a masters degree for $269. Here�s the information we supplied to Rochville University, on Riley�s behalf, in our application for a degree.: �During the past six years, I have studied numerous forms and disciplines of sports and recreation, to include the participation in a tennis academy at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Va.; extensive aquatics instruction at Mallory Country Club also in Norfolk; the study of soccer tactics and skill-building at various locations in Virginia; and graduation from a rock-climbing course in Virginia Beach, Va. I ask that you consider my years of study and participation in the fields of athletics, exercise, recreation and nutrition as meeting the requirements for a degree in Exercise Science.� Web links: State of Oregon�s list of diploma mills, unaccredited colleges and �substandard� institutions: www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) searchable database of accreditation status: www.chea.org/institutions If you have questions about this story, feel free to email Mike Mather at mike.mather@wtkr.com Test Your Health Ideal body weight, cholesterol check, etc. Love is in the air� If you're single, now'sthe time to find a mate. Search local singles here. Defeat Depression Videos, slides and an interactive human atlas. Spring Spruce Up Tackle those much needed home projects with our help. All content � Copyright 2000 - 2004 WorldNow and WTKR. All Rights Reserved. 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Answer by GaryT
Submitted on 4/21/2004
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I have been in the composite industry for over 20 years and have had to tolerate idiots who have a degree but no practical experience. I was sick of supporting these people with my knowledge and experience. I have been recognized as a expert in my field, but with out a spare $9,000 I have been unable to proceed with my career, until I discovered Roch ville. They have opened a door to me that has been closed to me for to long. If some one applies for a degree for something that they now nothing about it seems to me that that the worst that industry will suffer is another grad with no experience and little knowledge. Good luck to any body with the experience and balls to do this. By the way I have just received my degree, and now I have been promoted with an increase of salary of $15,000 pa. I Could have only have done this because Roch ville helped. By the way the newspaper article, if the real person had applied not the crew than maybe they would have seen that he has barley literate.

Answer by GaryT
Submitted on 5/1/2004
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This is for Ben; The name us GARYT not GrayT. Don't tell me another no nothing grad from a uni paid for by mum and dad. Its time you people grew up and smelt what your shoveling. There are people out there that work hard and have years of experience in their field, only to be screwed over time and time again by snot nosed no nothing grads fresh from uni. Now Im not saying there all like this, some have the intelligence and humility to now that without that little thing called LIFE EXPERIENCE all there accumulated knowledge is just from books with no or little practical experience. Its easy to slag of or pick faults with places like Roch ville, but it seems to me, and I have checked, that a great deal of employers are looking for people with a great deal of experience and a piece of paper for academic reasons. Give the working man a chance I say. By the way I do not even live in the USA, let along work for Rochville or any parent company. I suggest BEN that you check your facts before spouting off.

Answer by GaryT
Submitted on 5/1/2004
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I would like to apologies for my previous statements, if I have offended anyone it was not my intention. It would seem however that all the negative comments about Rochville etc must have some foundation. I assume that there is plenty of evidence to proof thats they are committing fraud, as I also assume that it is a crime in the USA to lie about a service or product that is sold to the public. I can only say that they have seemed to have conducted a fraud of enormous proportions. If there proof of this, any evidence at all? Please post it here, if there is any!. The Rochville site has a large amount of facts on them, are they all lies? If so cant the police get involved? Evidence means independent, viable proof, not tv programs or hear say. Some people don't like these programs, OK. show me why! prove that they are liars with no credentials who defrauding people on a grand scale. Do this I will contact the police myself.

Answer by GaryT
Submitted on 5/2/2004
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Once again I,m Back. No answers to my questions I see!. I have done a little more research into this and have found at least 30 uni'sthat offer a similar service to rochville, it seem to me that even some of the "big name uni's are starting to offer course credits on "life experience" towards a degree!!. I feel, and many others agree, that if you have the experience and knowledge then any uni that will use this as credits is a good thing. I am sure there will be people out there that will abuse this system. People lie and cheat, thats human nature, I am quite sure there are plenty of traditional grads that have cheated to gain there degree. One more thing, Rochville has attempted to be accredited, maybe to a source that is unreliable, I don't know. A lot of the other Distance learning uni'sI came across have not bothered, even the so called "traditional types". If you have the experience and can feel you are being hampered by not having a piece of paper my advice is to seriously look at this type of degree, if not from rochville from one of the other uni's If you have to lie to achieve the degree, remember, you're only lying to your self. Be true to your self and your accomplishments and you will achieve.

Answer by joy
Submitted on 5/4/2004
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I see both sides, but personally, I think that if a person has true, extensive life experience, he should get credit for that experience. Just like a traditional student gets credit for doing practicum work. I do not think that anyone should lie about their life experience. This will definitely show up on the job that you do not have a clue about what you are doing. I would get a degree from Rochville or any university that offers credit for life experience. I Know of good quality private colleges that are now offering credit for life experience for returning adults. You also have to take some general foundational classes (math, science, English, etc, but it does exist. If all I needed was the "piece of paper" as long as I did not lie about my work experience than I feel I deserve to get credit for it. To me that is not "bogus" THAT'S REAL!

Answer by Gary T
Submitted on 5/6/2004
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It great to see that i am not the only person who can see that getting credits towards a degree through life experience is actually a good thing. I wish any body the best of luck with there career, and has the balls to try and better them selves, despite being ridiculed by a privileged minority. To answer shelti, "composite" is a blending of materials to form a single article, this can either be polymers and epoxy resin systems, or metal bonded items with stress factors built in to accommodate certain conditions etc. Most modern items are of a composite nature from cars to boats and planes. This is why I love the subject so. Remember, if you do decide to go down this road, make sure you know your subject.

Answer by jaded-dot-edu
Submitted on 5/6/2004
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Glad to have found this. Remember -- higher education isn't just BIG business, it's HUGE business... as Da Gov said in Blazing Saddles, "We have to protect our phony-baloney jobs, gentlemen!" Established, "old-school" (pardon the pun) institutions have an intrinsic need to protect their turf from these upstart online diploma mills. Now... I have to say I'm disgusted with the true diploma mills that proudly state "100% acceptance" of all applicants (paying applicants, that is) -- because, as the above article noted, you could order a diploma for your Schnauzer and they wouldn't bat an eyelash (or so it seems!). My concern is this: let's say I give a prospective employer my BA from Rochville. And let's say that employer takes 5 seconds from his day to Google "Rochville"... go on, try it. What do you get? Sure, their official site is the first hit... but then, it's SCAMOLA, BABY! Pages of Google hits saying, "hey, this is a diploma mill." Goodbye, credibility, hello, unemployment. Yes, it's like a mafia thang -- the legit schools are adamant that they will be the ONLY legit schools. There's still a stigma against online learning/diplomas for life experience, like it or not. Just my $.02. (And while I'm at it... please keep in mind that if you're going to spout off about how great a diploma mill school is, you'd do well to recheck your typing before hitting Submit. There are sure an awful lot of grammatical errors and typos in some of the above postings.)

Answer by Gary T
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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Oops last posting was a typo!!!!. I agree with "jaded". Please type in "cheating at uni" in google, it surprised the hell out of me. Like I typed before, there are a lot of "uni,s" out there that offer a similar service to rochville, and, as stated before, most HR Dpts are looking for experienced people, the diploma is usually a requirement due to union issues.. FACT. HR Dpts will check experience, if at all. FACT To jaded, I wonder if you ever fly, as from my own experience over 40% of engineers in the aviation industry (especially in the service and repair sector)have their degrees from a "Diploma mill". Where do you think I got the idea from.....Next time you sit in a airplane think of that!!!! Here is a list of a few uni'sthat offer a similar service to Rochville, any comments on these places would be appreciated. (Oh and my grammar and spelling has always been bad, guess I rush to much, but have you seen a doctors latley!!! And they have PHd,s)http://www.almedacollege.org/degree-certs.html http://www.customdegrees.com/ www.suffielduniversity.com http://www.best-source-4-career-education.com/Online-Life-Experiance-Degree-Programs.html Try this one loads here: http://universityofamerica.tripod.com/links.html Http://www.degreeadvisory.net/A.html http://www.sorbonedu.com/sorbonengl.html http://www.universityamerica.edu/ And these are just a few. If people are going to these places, and they are, and if people are gaining there diplomas this way, and they are, does it not stand to reason that HR Dpts are aware of this. We can argue this point for ever, My degree works for me, and I know of quite a few others, high up in decision making, that it it works for them. In a ideal world I would have loved to have spent 4/5 years at uni to gain my degree, Instead I had to spend nearly 20 years at the sharp end to earn it. Whether gained from Rochville or any other establishment, It should make no difference.

Answer by Diploma Disabuse
Submitted on 5/11/2004
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I just saw a story on ABC nightly news about Lexington University, where there is no location but a mail room, and clearly a diploma mill. My parents were very old school and FORBID college, knowing I would not cross them. Now, at 47, my mother apologized to me and said she wished I could still go. My daughter is graduating from her 4 yrs. getting her BA degree. I am unclear how as an adult I can break away to do 4 yrs of study. I have so much experience in so many areas, it's scary. At a meeting once, the Pres. asked who held degrees, raise your hand. I was the only one without. He then asked, "Who holds a Life Degree?" I was the only one raising my hand. He said, "Those of you with degrees but no life degree are missing the boat" I interrupted and said I had a "PHD from the school of Hard Knocks"......he chuckled, and said that was more valuable than any college document. I agree, but society does NOT. I have been in real estate, as a broker/VP of the company....a mortgage lender, a banker, I hold insurance licenses and have used them, do have my LUTC I, as well as I know Sign Language fluently and can work with that sector of clients, but it all adds up to ZIP in the business world. I was overlooked for an Asst. Mgr. position because I didn't have a degree, but I was assisting the MGR already! I knew more than the manager. I stopped helping since I was paid a pauper wage compared to his salary. He'd been in retail, no experience in finance, banking, contract law, NOTHING. But his degree got him the position. I resent that, as someone who's attended seminars, workshops, read, read, and read. I didn't attend college, but it did not prevent me from LEARNING. I have some ethics issues w/having a bogus degree. If a degree can truly be granted on life experience, then I'm all for it. I'm going to ponder this Rochville situation. I hope more people respond as to if they do or do not have one, and how has the business world treated them, and did they get it in their field of expertise? To me, it's no different than clepping out of classes due to life experience. I hope to learn of more discussion on this most interesting subject. Thanks for all who share here.

Answer by GaryT
Submitted on 5/12/2004
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This discussion is getting very interesting.. I would like to add that in my last posting is an address to a uni based in France. It would seem that the French government has decided that that obtaining a degree through "Life experience is a good thing. The uni offering this service checks out, but does stipulate that it expected proof of any experience an applicant claims to have. This can't be bad!!, When I applied for my degree I supplied as much information as I could. Including a completed "project" complete with independent approvals for design and functions. I assumed that this is what a traditional uni would want. If any body decides to go down this path, then I suggest that you treat it as you would a normal uni (Only Faster). have a verifiable project, send copy's of results on courses completed, even get a recommendation from your employer on work done etc. This may not be necessary, but just maybe you would feel that the degree had actually been earned through hard work, which of course it would have been. The address to the french site is: http://www.sorbonedu.com/sorbonengl.html Try it out, you could be surprised.

Answer by Boumei
Submitted on 5/13/2004
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I am very much intrigued. I never picked up my Associates degree, because I ran off and became a published artist and writer at a young age. Now, 18 years later when I apply for a job, whereas I am used to seeing Bachelor's or equivalent experience, I am being beat out by those who hold a Bachelor's degree - and I used to teach color theory on the side in Chicago to Art Institute Students! Where is the justice in that? For what I have accomplished in the realm of publishing is the equivalent to holding a Doctorate, if not a Professorship! I have spent years researching abnormal psychology, art, literature, and anything that is educational. Learning new techniques, poetry, etc. Computers didn't even exist when I started. To survive, I had to learn them both artistically, publishing-wise, and word programs. I would love to hear what anyone has to further say on this subject.

Answer by P.Smith
Submitted on 5/13/2004
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The Associate Degree that you so worship has cost nurses $1000 of dollars in additional salary. You are bitter old bag. Get off your ass and go back to school. The reason nurses are paid less than pharmacists and physical therapists is the fact that as long as nurses go to school for a two year technical degree as you did, salary will be commiserate with you educational level. PT salaries are on the rise, Pharmacist salaries on the rise. Why? Standard degree in PT is now a doctorate. Standard degree in Pharm is now a pharm D. Take your life experience and your technical grade salary and be satisfied. You and your attitude are part of the problem. You sound like an angry and bitter person. P. Smith RN BSN MS

Answer by Kade
Submitted on 5/14/2004
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I'm a young udnergraduate student, who had to put college on part-time bases for the sake of my family's financial position. I was studying psychology, but my primary interest was forensic psychology, and over the few semesters, I've developed a strong grasp for some of the fundamental concepts. Now I have no choice at hand, at the moment. I'm still not sure whether this gamble is worth taking, but sometimes you've got to explore every single option available. I should be thanking all of you in a certain sense. At first, the promises on the rochville website inticed and drew me towards the program. Then reading the reviews of all the skeptics here stimulated my doubts. Somehow the whole idea seemed hard to grasp and ironically a bit too simple to executed. Then I came across the reviews of those who've taken the risk, and survived to tell. Some of you have had positive things to say, and that's positively reinforced my will to take a risk. However, I'm still shrouded in doubt. Only time will tell.

Answer by attar
Submitted on 5/21/2004
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Wow What a topic People 80% of people cheat to get through university and who knows what percent cheat and buy a fake one this is the world we live in. the fundamentals of university is not just the academic aspect it is also a discipline factor most university students drop out and those that don�t cheat. I have many years experience in several fields and have no degree should it be awarded I think so but through a test when I was in high school I did not take math but I was enriched in elementary school my last year I took a test and achieved all my math credits honestly. Their should be an applied test that can be used for a life experience diploma a regulated test. Universities do apply honorary masters doctorates PhD�s this is a fact. If you pay for a diploma and do not have to actually sit down and get tested on their knowledge.

Answer by John
Submitted on 5/23/2004
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I love this debate. Go for what you want in life because we only live once. Let no one deter your dreams. I will graduate from a graduate course in December 2004. My thesis is written I'm waiting for approval from school and my peers. In the meantime, I have applied for a "second" master's degree from Rochville University. This is how it reads on my resume. Life experience is more applicable to situations where experience is touted over someone who does not have the experience to handle the situation. This is not to discriminate against students who went to a traditional 4 year college. Look at our baby-boomers who will be retiring in ten years from the work force. Now, there is life experience any university in this country should confer the title of degree on this generation. Please, follow your dreams, let no one hold back from you your God given right to health, wealth, and spiritually. To thos e individuals who are bitter that this format does exist. Do not blame it on the spirit to be creative. Rock on Rochville University.

Answer by Lodie
Submitted on 5/24/2004
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I see both sides of this. One side you have those that spend thousands and do book work daily, for years. On the other you have people that work their tails off in their given field and are over-looked for promotions. So the student doesn't have "life experience". The other has life experience and no "formal university driven book learning". What's the problem? In either case someone is lacking, yet looking to do better. I don't see a problem with purchasing a degree based on life experience....provided it really is on life experience. For those in school working so hard, you deserve a pat on the back. It isn't easy. Neither is the day to day work the rest do. I do not have a college degree. My partner at work has held his job for 17 years. When a position opened to head a department he was over-looked for lacking "any" degree (they don't care what kind of degree it is). They hired someone who had a minor degree in a field so far from the work that my co-worker had to train the newbie. Is that right? I considered Rochville because the same position is coming open again, but I worry because we are minor government employees. I am published several times over in child development, have been studying for 14 years now. This is not the field I work in though...still a degree would get me the job and an additional 20k a year!

Answer by Gary T
Submitted on 5/29/2004
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I have just come back from a trip to Australia, where I was involved in helping a University there setting up its composite department. I would have not been considered for this role if I did not have my degree!!. Like I said before, only do this if you can prove that you have the relevant experience, to lie is stupid as your only cheating yourself. This subject of "life experience Degrees" is a topic that seems to have many people talking, and to be quite honest most people agree that if you have the experience why should it not be recognized. All I can say is don't be stupid and apply for a degree you have no experience in, as this would not only be a waste of money, but would give credence to the "knockers" of this system. Be true to yourself and you'll be ok.

Answer by John
Submitted on 5/29/2004
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Hello everyboby, I recently purchased my masters in human services from Rochville University. I have attended a State University New York (SUNY) long distance learning course where you received the course outline and had to make phone contact with your mentor to discuss the course material that was sent by mail. I also received credit for life experience accumulated between school work and intern practicums. I will received my degree soon and will return to this little forum to inform others who return to this website to read the writing on the wall. I like what Gary T. had to say about "getting a degree" without having the experience to back up whatever it is you want the degree for. Granted we all want a better paying position and be able to pay off some bills would be greatly appreciated. So, until I received my degree and enter the fray for a better job. Just keep the faith, baby.

Answer by SomyunGuy
Submitted on 6/17/2004
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Well, I've been reading through the responses here, and I'm still a bit conflicted about the whole thing, and not for the moral reasons. I have completed approximately 95% of my 4 year B.Sc. Computer Science degree at a major university, but due to financial and family problems, I was unable to finish. During my studies I discovered that I often knew the computer-related subject matter better than the professors, and found myself being extremely bored over the course of the four year study period and helping them with their test marking, etc. I also have extensive work in the field, have published papers, tutorials, and a thesis on the subject. I find myself being massively underpaid for the job that I am doing (usually the work of 3 or 4 people) and am extremely unhappy. I don't have the money to go back and finish the remaining courses. Would you say that I deserve to have the B.Sc, or maybe a Masters? I just don't want to get caught with having a so-called "phony" degree, even though I have no problem with "life experience" degrees.... Anyone have any thoughts on this? Or do you know any schools that offer this and are not classified as "diploma mills"? Thanks.

Answer by Kade
Submitted on 6/28/2004
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I can relate to SomyunGuy. I believe our problem is similar. Many universities offer slightly mature students, say past the age of 23, a chance at doing their masters. However, even they require some previous experience in the required field. I believe such a degree should in some form, account for your hard work, and perhaps from there on give you chance to specialize and excel, backed up with real interest, rather than problems and boredom. I believe Rochville do send out the packages as promised. However, I have a question for GaryT. You seem to have solid work experience, and experience on its own as well. What should an individual do, when say their employer requires the address of the designated university? In this case of course, Rochville university.

Answer by oldfashioned
Submitted on 6/29/2004
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Call me old fashioned, but it seems to me - it is a classic example of wanting something without having to do the work for it. "Fast food" society, with a fast food degree. There are legitimate programs that offer life experience as a means to offer credit towards a degree. Getting credit towards a degree is far different than getting a whole degree. I applied to Rochville just to see what type of degree that would and could be awarded to me and I was certified for a Masters and a Doctorate degree. Often employers are looking for someone with a combination of experience and formal education. The degree based on experience is in my mind cheating, you are getting credit for experience twice, first for the orginal work history, and second for the degree which is based on work history. I find it very disturbing that for Rochville there is not one single contact name or address given, why do you think that is? Even look at the message by the so-called President of the University an illegible signature without the type written name. Good luck to the person seeking a physical address - you will not be given one. Why do you think employers ask for this type of information?

Answer by TwoMastersthehardway
Submitted on 7/1/2004
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To all the BS buyers: True, experience counts and is extremely valuable in the marketplace, but I think you misunderstand the concept of a College education. It's more than just learning about a narrow field of study; it's a broad study of many areas of learning. One of those being communication skills, which are obviously missing from many of the above responses. Also, it is totally inappropriate to assume that your missing degree is your problem. There are many-many examples of very successful people who didn't need a BS/BA to achieve results in the marketplace. Reassess what you want and be truthful. Also, if you went into a career with the fore-knowledge that it took an undergraduate degree to advance, then it's your problem; not the system, and getting a bogus degree simply adds to your personal dishonesty.

Answer by HonestDegree
Submitted on 7/5/2004
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Getting a degree based on life experience is simply dishonest. Sure, you may know more law than your neighbor the lawyer, or be more versed in practical psychology than the Ph.D. next door. But that knowledge does not give you the same foundation and background as a real university education. Though not a perfect system, universities graduate students who possess at least a minimum standard of knowledge verified objectively through testing. Conversely, degree mills do nothing to objectively evaluate the claimed life experience. I don't want to be in a building designed by an "engineer" who did not actually study engineering, and I don't want my body cut open by a "cardiologist" who did not study medicine and do his internship. If you get a degree from Rochville or some other life experience outfit, you may be able to fool others, but you can't fool yourself. You will also be doing a disservice to all those who believe in playing by the rules, and more importantly may actually cause real damage to innocent people who rely on the integrity and ability of those holing themselves out as experts. Is this really how you want to live your life?

Answer by Gator
Submitted on 7/5/2004
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I dropped out of college in 1991 to work for my then, soon to be wife and future daughter. Unexpected turn when I found out I was going to be a Dad. I was going to school to be a secondary Art teacher. I have ALWAYS wanted to do this. I have since worked odd jobs on and off quickly advancing to position of supervisor or assistant manager. (I am a fast learner and dependable, hard, worker). All along operating my own business since 1996, and for 3 years now, an online business to suppliment my income. I have quit working other jobs and ran just the succesfull business now for nearly five years. I am making between $30,000 and $40,000 a year depending how the year goes. This may be enough to live on, but it is not what I wanted as a child. I beleive I have the life experience to go into a classroom and teach teenagers much more than any 21 year old, fresh out of school would dream of teaching. Now with 2 mortgages, automobile expenses, employee wages, 2 businesses to run, and a family to support, do I have the extra time and money to attend college for another 3 years? Not really. If I sacrificed anything, the rest surely would crumble. Do I want to be a school teacher earning about the same wages I make now, instead of continuing with the business I conduct now? 100%!!! It is what I always wanted to do. I know I could do it....better than most, especially new fish out of school. Final question to you and myself, would I buy a degree from Rochville? If it was completely legitimate, yes. Knowing its not.....NO. Show me where I can work my dream job on the life experience I have gained and I would take it in a heartbeat. Untill then, I guess I will work 60 to 80 hours a week, 320 days a year to make the same wage I would if I were a teacher, working 40 to 50 hours a week, 190 days a year. If you would like to see what I do, visit my website http://gatorzap.com

Answer by GaryT
Submitted on 7/7/2004
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First to Kade; I have asked Rochville for an address, and they gave me thier admin offices in Sarasota Florida, Which I visited and confirmed a group of offices with 20 + employees. This is the address I will give in the future. To others who do not like this form of advancement, I agree, I did not wont to obtain my degree this way. But does it not seem a little unfair that as i have a wealth of experience it would not count? As I have stated on more than one occasion Rochville is not the only one out there! I have come across countless Unis that offer credit for life experience. I also agree that I would not like to enter a building designed by someone with a bogas degree, but the chances are the person who has a 'Normal' degree cheated. As stated before 80% of students cheat?????. And they still get a degree????? Now that does frighten me, people out there with NO experience with a degree from a normal Uni. Oh Boy!! Love em or hate em, this type of system is here to stay. This does seem to be a forum, to bash Rochville, are there no other 'Mills' out there?? Come on Guys and Gals lets be fair. Can any one suggest another. One last thing I have investigated Rochville, and found them to answer e-mails and letters promptly, I am critical of there acceptance procedure, which is open to abuse. But, as I have said many times, liars will be caught. No experience, No job.

Answer by twomastersthehardway
Submitted on 7/8/2004
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Hey GaryT, if someday you have to give an essay on your life experiences to a prospective employer I hope you would have the good sense to have someone else read it first to correct all the errors in grammar and spelling. Each time you make a plea for Rochville as one of its "graduates," I think you do them no favor. GaryT, if you think you've got it down, try going to a real school to see if you do. If so, it should be a cakewalk for you, but I suspect it will not. Let me give you one of my experiences. Some time ago I decided to go to graduate school for a masters in business (MBA). Because of my long experience in business I had the opportunity to "test-out" of some of the courses, so I tried it only to fail miserably on the exams. My self estimate of the value of experience was bloated and irrational. What I thought I achieved by experience was way overstated and most humbling. For this reason, I question most statements on experience as being equal to education. They're not!!!

Answer by UOP_Longway2Go
Submitted on 7/8/2004
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twomastersthehardway is right. If you think you have all the experience you say you do, why not find out? Take the CLEP exams and avoid having to take classes. Most Accredited Universities like University of Phoenix will give you credits for passing CLEP exams: http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/clep/about.html I am taking online classes at University of Phoenix to get my Bachelor's in Business/Management. Don't talk yourself out of it like most people with hard luck stories do when they say they don't have time. You can do it -all on the Internet, when it's convenient for you. But don't be fooled, the work is hard. You have to want it. As for the fake degree thing, I am doing research on it, but so far I do not see one offer yet that I could honestly put on my resume and not worry daily if I would get called out for it if someone found out. The difference is, I work for a Fortune 100 company. On the same token, if I was in a lower-end job like middle mgmt at a manufacturing plant, or public law enforcement, then I would certainly get a degree from Rochville or the like. Chances are in those areas of employment, you are far less likely to get caught using one of those degrees than someone with my job title. I am not tooting my horn or saying that I am better than anyone, but I do make over $150k a year as it is, and need a degree to move up the corporate ladder to executive level. At that level, credentials are certainly scrutinized, so I would be scared to get caught.

Answer by James E. Smith
Submitted on 7/17/2004
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I just read someone�s message saying they would have no mercy on someone with a degree from Roch ville University because they are cheating people that hold a degree from some other university. I'm a software developer and I've been cheated by people that have degrees. What about when that happens! I don't here much talk about respecting knowledge. Why would someone focus on paperwork when it is the knowledge that produces what companies need to survive? I remember my boss giving his friend credit for my work, I seen his friend's name on QA documents and my name where his friend name should have been. My source code never has any bugs and the QA manager could tell you that. No one knew why my name was in the wrong place on those papers but, I'm sure it happened more than one time. This happened around promotion time near June. His friend had a degree in Electrical Engineering so, the HR department believed he was producing better work then me anyway and wanted to promote him but, he was taking credit for my work. He was promoted and became my boss. The mistake was overlooked. They simply lied and got away with it. This happened at other companies also. They tried to use me as the fall guy and take credit for my hard work and give my name to upper management when ask about their mistakes that came from their own lack of knowledge. How do you deal with this type of injustice. So why should I care about how much classroom work someone performed to get a degree? It's easy for people with degrees to lie within on those that don't have degrees. If this university paper work was put to the side many phony people with degrees would be exposed. Where a person went to school or how long a person was in school does not make them capable of being a scientist, programmer, or engineer. I say this because school is only as effective as the student makes it and education can be acquired in more than one way. School is one important way of receiving an education but, because of the view of education as big business many schools have put more of their resources into look and feel and have neglected the quality of the education they provide. In addition to this many students are not interested in being personally enriched from their education, many students focus only on the paper work that say they were in school and received a degree. The lack of interest in the knowledge itself is what I worry about because, that is what our society depend on for technological growth. The summation of what I'm saying is that a man is what he makes himself.

Answer by Leonard B
Submitted on 7/18/2004
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About Rochville On-line degree I have a degree from them. Yes, maybe it is cutting corners but to me it was a fast way to obtain my degree. As far as to the merits of my degree from Rochville, well I had a company that I worked for �John Deere� who pursued information about my degree and they inquired on it creditability. They granted my degree not as a Bachelor Degree but as a Technical degree, which carried weight with the company. John Deere took 2 months checking out Rochville and its Accreditation�s. True, John Deere would not recognize my degree as a true Bachelor degree but they did honor it as a technical degree. Through my own experience, if a huge corporation like John Deere recognizes this as an Accredited University and the time and money they spent to investigate them out it finally paid of for me personally. So those who are search this university out for a quick degree, I would suggest them to you, but a word of warning. It does take sometime for a company to receive information about this university as I had to jump down Rochville throat in a matter of speaking to get them to release information to my employer. -Leonard

Answer by lilcanuck
Submitted on 7/18/2004
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I have just finished 59 general education credits at a local community college. I also have completed practical nursing program at a prominent nursing school in the midwest. I will not be getting a certificate or degree for any of all this hard work, although I will be able to sit for my NCLEX-PN boards. Sure I will get to practice as a LPN, but after spending thousands of dollars I would like some sort of document saying that I have something. I have been a EMT for 15 years so I alot of life experience. I am going to get an Associates degree from Rochville, I don't intend to use it for work purposes, but just as a atta boy for me. Traditional education has not been good to me.

Answer by samjoy99
Submitted on 8/7/2004
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I have a BA in English and 30 graduate credits in History (the hard way). I am in debt over $50,000.00 and I can't find a job to save my life that pays more than $9.00 an hour. Was my so-called "real" education worth it? Absolutely not! I know a lot, but that won't get me a good paying job. (And yes, my grammar is very good, but that won't even get me a job without experience.) What I'm trying to say is that one needs a combination of both education and experience--that is the only way to get a good job with good pay. Experience is worth so much more, then you can get your phony degree and have it count for something. I wish I had. I spent seven years in school; I'd have been better off working, gaining experience, and then applying for a degree online (I'd also be $50,000.00 richer). If you ever have the opportunity to become someone in charge of hiring I hope you will remember all you've read here. Maybe that's the only way things will change.

Answer by Dominic J.
Submitted on 8/9/2004
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I'll agree with Gary..you can have 20+ years experience and be an expert with something, a trade etc., and you'll get some Bozo fresh out of college with the I know it all attitude with a bachelors..That crap don't cut it!..Ive spent 22 years in the military with a A&P license, 2 different branches..Ive fixed everything from helicopters to commercial and fighter jets and even gas turbine generators. What really irritates me is the young, punk 23 yr old engineer who "attempts" to tell me how to do my job better...Having a BA or a Masters gives me that cutting edge on him..Ive found in many cases, the higher educated you become, the stupider you get, seems like many people forget what common sense is...

Answer by Nav yGuy
Submitted on 8/12/2004
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Gary T, You stated that you recently went to Sarasota, Florida and visited the administration offices of Rochville University. Would you be able to provide us with the address there so that we may at least have one to put on our applications. I too have a Rochville degree for my experience in Satellite Communications. I however have had a very difficult time in forcing Rochville to be forthcoming with any sort of address Except for the Address of their website admin in Malden, Mass. which I looked up myself by doing a WHOIS search. I agree that everyone here has some very valid points. I however in my field of computer technology and communications find that the university graduates are far behind the technology curve when they graduate. If you are using a digital telephone and in college they teach you how to use a rotary telephone, all you have is a useless employee from college with a piece of paper being taught what you have spent time learning yourself. That is my argument! I hope it stands in your court of opinion. Now GARYT about that address in Sarasota, Florida for us all?? Thank you in advance!!

Answer by prof
Submitted on 8/13/2004
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I am a professor at a major university. A majority of my students work while they complete their degrees--valuable life experience in my book. The majority of them also do the hard work necessary to earn a degree. That's right, earn the degree. A degree is a privilege, not a right; that is, if you don't work for it, you don't deserve it. Many of you have defended your deliberate deception with the charge that "it's not fair" that others with real degrees garner more respect in the job market than you do. However, you have missed the point of earning a real degree: yes, you learn many new things; yes, you learn valuable critical thinking skills; but most of all, the degree shows your ability to make a commitment to a goal and to do the work you must do to reach that goal. Those of you who lie and "cut corners" are deceiving everyone, including yourselves. I wonder how you can possibly be proud of that.

Answer by Jackie O
Submitted on 8/16/2004
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I love this discussion. I'm a licensed Realtor and a licensed Mortgage Broker with more than 20 years of real estate and mortgage brokerage experience. I graduated from The Real Estate Institute and from a mortgage broker school. I�m a member of three real estate boards as well as a member of the National Association of Realtors. Armed with 20 years of experience and 20 years of required real estate training classes and mortgage workshops, I applied for a Bachelor degree in Real Estate from Rochville University. I�m very pleased with my degree and I display it along with numerous certificates and achievement awards. I�m licensed in several states and I�ve met all standards required by my boards. The degree was for �me� and life experience should be recognized. Real Estate is one field where clients prefer �experience� over �education,� so I didn�t need it. It�s not required but it was . . . for me. Rock Rochville!

Answer by Leah
Submitted on 8/19/2004
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I work at a Community College in Tennessee and do transcript evaulations. We do NOT accept ANY credits from Rochville and the Tennessee Board of Regents does not recognize it as a valid, accredited university. I have done extensive research on this school and I suggest to anyone considering a degree from here to really debate hard on whether you actually want to pay $300+ for something that may or may not be accepted elsewhere. The best bet, if you have life experience, is to apply at your local community college and talk to your advisor. There are CLEP exams for certain courses. There may also be a possibility of obtaining work experience credit or advanced standing credit. If you have been in the military or you are a dependent of a disabled veteran, then also speak to the VA rep at your local community college. There may be a program to help you out. And don't forget Financial Aid. Fill out the FAFSA form and find out if you qualify for any federal funds. The loans must be paid back, but they carry a very low interest rate. The Pell Grants are a gift and do not require repayment. There are other avenues, you just have to find them. Leah LeahWright@comcast.net

Answer by USAFSSGT
Submitted on 8/22/2004
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GARYT, what address did Rochville U. give you in FL? It seems several people are having a hard time getting it from them and you stated that you've seen their office, right? Would you mind posting it here? Secondly, I'm a Non-commissioned Officer in the Air Force and due to extensive deployments and long duty hours consisting of various shifts, and obligations to my wife and child, I have not been able to complete my degree. I do however have 9 years in our nation's military which includes several years of managing many people, meeting deadlines, and dealing with extremely stressful situations while still being expected to perform my duties flawlessly. The fact of the matter is, if I don't perform, we lose millions of dollars when an aircraft goes down, and maybe even the lives of the people on board. I'm certain I've done more than enough to earn my degree. I'm not saying degrees should be just handed out to anyone, but many of us never had the oppritunity to take 4-5 years out of our lives and just go to school. I'd challenge anyone to put a new uni. grad. with a business management degree to work against me, or anyone like me, and see how long it is before we are over there having to teach him/her how to even get started. I'm sure I've drug this out far enough, but I had to drop in my $.02.

Answer by BioRad
Submitted on 8/24/2004
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Does life experience equate to academic curriculum? In times past it seems as though this may not have been the case. I wonder why? Is not the academic world based upon empirical reasoning? So, if we can prove we can do a particular job through doing it, are we not in effect meeting the criteria that that the academic institutions had their foundations built upon i.e. empirical reasoning and scientific method? I agree that it is necessary to have a fundamental educational or experience in a particular field but who should decide this criteria and were does the education or experience have to come from? Vocational Schools, Internships, Universities, Colleges, on the job training, Personal Research, or Trial and Error. [Isn't there more than one way to skin a cat...] Please do not misunderstand me, I would prefer not to drive my car across a bridge constructed by an elementary educated person, although in times past many of the engineers who designed some of the greatest engineering marvels in the world (Pyramids of Egypt, the Babylonian Hanging Garden, and The Great Wall of China) did not have a Degree. On the other side of the coin, it seems that requiring 2 years of college education (My wife who is from the Philippines informed me that to work at Mcdonalds in the Philippines it requires a minimum of 2 years of college education) to work at Mcdonalds is excessive. My research has told me that there have been numerous schools of thought through out the last 6000 years, ranging from oral teaching and written teaching to pictorial teaching and philosophical as well as many others. It seems as though Universities and/or Colleges that granted Degrees or Certificates came on the seen around 400-600 years ago(this number is just an approximation). My research also tells me that initially, most if not all the students were "The lettered or upper echelon of society", and over time this created educational class distinctions (lower, middle, higher) although a persons personal wealth played a role in this. My point is that over the years we have had too many peoples hand in the cookie jar, too many people making new requirements for this and for that (Although this is many times necessary). All during this time the population continued to grow, and at some point in time it was determined that a criteria would need to be established for particular positions, ergo Experience and Academic requirements. So, get to the point already, right... Two things happened. 1. People who had obtained high positions through this way or that, were consulted as to what the requirements for a position similar to theirs would be. 2. The Academic institutions in their infinite wisdom created the theoretically ideal educational curriculum that should prepare a person to enter into a particular field. We live in a merit driven society i.e. meet this particular criteria get an award, medal, certificate, degree, a nut, a piece of cheese, or a dog treat. In our case, the merit that we are all seeking is money. Society tells us, "Go to school, get a degree, make money, have kids, and repeat the cycle". I believe that we really need to take into consideration the �Big Picture�, there are many people [Government, Industry, and Religion] involved in the world we live in, and they are influencing the development of these criteria that we are discussing; so let us not forget that sometimes the issue is bigger than we are. In the end, it is up to you determine your own future, choose wisely! Rochiville University graduate and unpaid for these comments. I also graduated from a traditional USA accredited University and was grandfathered into the Biomedical and Radiology industry.

Answer by DIRK DIGGLER
Submitted on 8/24/2004
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To Garrot As student at the University of Phoenix I believe all is entitled to making the right choice. I have been in the construction business for 15 years, and out of that time line 8 were done in the military under construction. Life long learning experience to me can be classified as college credits for practical ability.What about students who come form the Caribbean with courses from a British background and get turned down. Once these students get involved with the school work some of the were skipped to higher level. America discriminates anyone who is trying to better than themselves I believe that if Rochville is an accredited institution degrees should be granted hands down. To all the degree haters of Rochville University word to the wise Rochville is for the poor people that cannot pay $40,000 or more only to $30,000 once the degree is completed. Take a hard look at those individuals that went to school got a degree with no experience this system is designed for us to fail only when you start conforming to your ways then the haters start knocking down the only avenue of approach us poor people got. To all who hate Rochville I tell go talk to the British that brought them here.

Answer by BioRad
Submitted on 8/25/2004
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I thought I should everybody know that I have published a manuscript as well as 3 Biomedical Technology related articles in a widely circulated Biomedical Journal. I have been in the Biomedical and Radiology industry for 10 years and have designed numerous devices that you unknowingly may have been treated on when you stayed at a hospital and or medical center. Additionally, I am one of only 50 people credentialed in my particular field and have worked with the FDA and the FCC (Which, I both am licensed by and received the highest grade in the country on their exam). Just to tell you about myself, I am an ordained minister, I own three houses two of which I rent out, and I am a breeder of English Bulldogs. I believe that US accredited or not it is a Degree and many employers will and are accepting it. If you really research, then you will see that there are many very successful professionals in government and other industries that already had proved that they were competent individuals and just got the R.U. Degree to increase their marketability and prestige. Take care, BioRad

Answer by Hippy Chick
Submitted on 8/30/2004
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It is an interesting debate on whether you select Rochville or try the 10 year university route. I too was passed up for several promotions by people with less experience but that had the degree. My family was not able to afford college for all my siblings so the decision was made that I would quit school to help support my older sibling' tuition. My employer doesn't know this but it doesn't matter. I am currently doing the same job and at less than half the pay. I found this out when my company posted a similar job to mine with "much" more money. Yes after awhile it gets hard to hear "you don't have a degree" but I am taking online courses to move forward. I debate daily on getting a degree at Rochville.

Answer by EricT
Submitted on 8/30/2004
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This one goes to GaryT: Boy, you sure go on, don't you. It is obvious that you have an issue with learned people. You are only attracting people of similar narrow-minded constitution to yourself. By the way, you claim that Rochville has professional lecturers working for them that do more than "operate a xerox machine"; well...can you please show me a single academic paper published by this "university"!? At the end of the day you are typical of someone who likes to go through life feeling sorry for himself and self-righteously taking short-cuts. Yes, I have a degree. Yes, I have worked very hard for it. Yes I think that all "Diploma Mills" should be shut down. No, I do not believe that I am better than anybody who does not have a degree.

Answer by John
Submitted on 9/3/2004
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Hi All, A great conversation going on here. Here's my 2 cents. I am looking into a life experience degree based on a need I see in the work place. I have been recently "down sized" with a major retailer. I was a District Manager in charge of 29 stores. In the present workplace, companies are requiring a degree to even look at your resume. I personally have 27 years in Management and was recently told in an interview with a recruiter, that I wasn't qualified to sell cellular phones at the mall without a degree. Unbelievable! So here I am. Stuck without a piece of paper saying I can (possibly) do the job, and spent tens of thousands of dollars to get. And basically being discriminated against because I don't. I've researched a lot of sites. (Thanks Gary T for a few more) Watch your butt with some of these. Rochville does offer traditional learning degrees as do others, so how can they be a mill?? Many other colleges are offering life experience "credit". Some as much as 20%? Not much of an offer for years of on the job training. They just want your money. I'm all for "testing out". I could quite honestly, teach classes in Management. I would be all for these schools checking up on me and my background. Nothing to hid, and it would keep the 1st grader from receiving a degree in Sports. So it looks like there are "opportunities" here at all levels. As a few others have said, you have to live with yourself on getting one. But we, out here with years of hands on knowledge and experience, need a way to deal with the companies (and recruiters) who see no degree, no job! With the posting earlier on John Deere doing the research, sounds like if a company does "inquire" you will be backed up by at least Rochville. Prices are all over the place too! From 200.00 to over 700.00. So it's up to you. Me. I'll be looking into it. Since there are companies who require a degree (in anything) no matter what. I'll show them one. And then sell myself in the interview.

Answer by Alan
Submitted on 9/13/2004
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Rochville How many people here have had success with it? What companies have accepted it? How many people have asked for an address and none has been provided? I have read everyone's opinions and they are insightful and thought provoking. If 5 people can answer this and provide me with successes and one provide me an address I will be interested. Life expierience is great and people with and without degrees cheat. But If I am doing a Porter's Model for Production and Sales, I want somebody that is educated on the literal and technical aspect. I am sorry many of you have been screwed, but this is not ethical, go to a real school and get life expierience and finish up your degree. John Deere demoted the previous gentleman's degree.

Answer by The Watchdog
Submitted on 9/15/2004
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I liked what the artist had to say Can someone email me about customdegrees? I am more schooled in the theatre and acting than most proffessors I know, they marvel at the fact that I have no college, and have asked me to come and "fill in" in their college productions, I have won numerous awards, etc, but can do squat without a degree, lets say teach at a junior college for income, etc, etc. Or at least substitute teach for some income, what do you thing would a place like that help a degree with transcripts, critics with PHD'sthat work for the LOS ANGELES TIMES hail my work, have trouble grasping it all, so what does a poor artist that was never a "school" kid do? PLEASE EMAIL ME FOR A RESPONSE

Answer by TipTop
Submitted on 9/16/2004
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Lets face it. You can go through old fashioned Universities and come out with a degree yet would have nothing to offer until you get hands on training. A good example is the Federal Express TV ad about an MBA graduate who did not know how to ship a FedX parcel and needed to be trained by the mail room sorter. No doubt time spent in University is time well spent but that is no better than the person who has worked in the trenches. The only difference is that one graduated from University after sitting in the class room for four years and come up with theoretical knowledge yet knows very little of the real world where as the one that will get his life time experience evaluated from Rochville University has been learning in the real world. There is no comparison. An experienced graduate of Rochville University will out beat a graduate from traditional University any time, any where, and on anything. This is a fact. Try it out some time.

Answer by MC
Submitted on 9/29/2004
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Interesting debate, and I can understand both sides. I have a MS degree from Rochville U. I also have a BS from a well-known state uni, AND finished most of my MS there as well. When I was almost finished with my MS at this state uni (with a 3.98 GPA), I went through a horrible divorce which left me a single mom with NOTHING. My hope in finishing my MS anytime in the next 5 or so years was gone. When I was finally able to consider finishing my studies, each grad school I applied at (one was Emory U)told me ALL but 9 credits of any previous master's work (including practicum/internship) would be GONE. ALL but 9 credits??!! I had only 9 credit hours to go! I had even written a thesis! Only 3 classes (3 credit hr/each) would transfer. Everything else was gone. I would basically have to start over. I was so angry, I researched quite a few of these universities, asked tons of questions, had info/material sent to me, so on, so on... And I figured out the reason why they do this: $$$$$. That' it. It's all about the money. They know you want to finish, are probably pretty hard-up, offer easy financial aid, make it sound 'ok'. They just want your money. Thank God I found Rochville. I am one of those with the education AND experience, successful, and STILL taking continuing education classes... After this experience, I wonder if there really is ANY university who is fair/real, and not just in it for the $$$$? If you have the education/experience- I say go for Rochville. (and yes, they do verify info. they did on me!) If you are just taking a shortcut to have the letters after your name, you're an idiot, and it will catch up to you! I know my situation may be unique, but I think RU can help those with 15+ years of experience in their fields who have the possibility of being replaced with some no-experience newbie with a degree.

Answer by Scotland
Submitted on 9/30/2004
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Hi, I am still slightly confused about the whole Rochville issue. I am a 35 year old IT Director in Scotland, I must say straight off that I would employ a person who has experience over a Degree, I have seen so many degree holders who simply command money as they believe all the hard work is behind them when they finish their Degree. I myself do not hold a degree and it held me back from many many high level positions, I have 15 years experience in the IT world and have worked (contracted) with most of the financial institutes in Britain as well as working for most of the worlds largest IT companies. I have trained more graduates than I care to mention and apart from the ones that realize that "the real work begins here" most do not last the pace. When I interview for a position I carefully select from the CV's I prefer those who show common sense, experience and an ongoing willingness to learn. Degrees no longer come in to the equation. As far as differences in salary go....I pay everyone on an individual basis, I have MCSD'sMCSE'setc, all earning good money, the more willingness you show, the further you'll go. As you may or may not be aware (in Britain) Universities make sure just about all there students leave with a degree, they do this to keep the money rolling in. I reckon the problem lies with the employer and not the employee/job seeker, if employers opened there eyes and ears they would know that life is not always a bed of roses for people, not everyone can afford a college education. The problem in Britain (probably worldwide) is that top jobs are kept "in the club", for example, no one will ever walk into a particular top financial position in London unless they have the correct degree from the correct university......I applied for a position a year or so ago and was laughed at for even applying, I was told that unless I had an Oxford/Cambridge education I would not be considered......to put you in the picture, you need to come from the "correct" background...I am working class and proud of it, I'm not rich, but I make a good living, I have 12 members of staff who work hard and get paid well, I respect them as individuals and only one of them has a degree!!!.... I had a look at what Rochville would offer me and it was a doctorate, I won't go for it and I wouldn't care if a potential employee had one, I would only care if they could do the job well.

Answer by Thunder1027
Submitted on 9/30/2004
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Being in the military, 80% of my education is exactly as it is.... military training and experience. 85% of colleges and universities out there do not accept military training as formal credits. I have taken my correspondence courses, mailed the certificates to Rochville, mailed my transcript from a private college I attended 6 years ago, certificate of completion from a Vocational-Technical School, and mailed them my diplomas for all formal military schools I have attended with the breakdown of credit hours. I have recently received a Bachelor of Science degree from Rochville in Business Management. Now, here's the punchline. I have not gone to a traditional university, but have the training that has been given to me by the military at most. I believe I deserve the degree, myself. Just because I did not go to a traditional university does not mean I do not have the knowledge to perform the job duties or the focus. I have been trained by the best college in the world.... the U.S. military. Would anyone like to confront me and tell me I cheated on obtaining my degree when I have hard evidence of courses and training completed and transcripts from what civilian schools I HAVE been able to attend? BRING IT ON!!!!

Answer by Patrizia
Submitted on 10/1/2004
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I came upon this site yesterday by mere coincidence and got interested when I read "Rochville", as I have a M.A. in English Literature from Rochville University. The posts here about degrees based upon life experience are quite controversial, but I agree with most of them. Let me tell you why I decided to get a degree from Rochville. I am German and live in Germany. I studied languages at the School for Translaters and Interpreters of the Heidelberg University (oldest university in Germany) for 5 years, but dropped out shortly before the final exams started. Reason: Exam nerves! All during my studies I had been having that "disease" - as soon as any exam came near I was close to a nervous breakdown and when standing in front of the examiners to translate a text or simultaneously interpret a conversation, I had a blackout and was not able to say anything. I had a job as a conference interpreter while studying, and strange enough I never ever was nervous while interpreting simultaneously during meetings as I loved what I was doing (interpreting from English into Italian, French or German) ... but as soon as I was in an exam I had a blackout and did not remember one word. So when the final exams came near, I knew I would not pass due to my nervousness. By the way, that's the reason I don't even have a driver's license ... I failed each time when I took the driving test. Not because I was a bad driver, but because I was so nervous that everything went wrong. I could try 1000 times again and still fail! So I quit university without a degree, but as I still wanted to work as a translater, I walked straight into the personnel office of the U.S. Army Headquarters Europe in Heidelberg and applied for any vacant position where translating was needed. I was lucky and got a job as an executive secretary and translater of a 1* general. They did not want to see a degree, but said my English was so good and that I would learn the rest by doing - which I did. After all I was given an award of excellence every year. When the department was shut down after 6 years (due to troop reduction) I applied as a personal assistant/translater at university and got the job due to my excellent credentials I had received from the U.S. Army. At university I soon took over other tasks than translating and in the course of years I did events management and study monitoring, and in my spare time I worked as an interpreter for American or Italian companies at trade fairs. Four years ago I started creative writing and have published 3 books so far and several articles and stories in magazines. I also worked as a freelance editor at a small publishing company. Last year I quit working at university to work freelance in events management, writing and translating. I will be moving to the UAE next year for personal reasons and started to look for a job earlier this year. I was hoping to find any vacancy in a publishing company, but I found out that the chances are zero without a M.A. That's why I thought I should get one in English Literature from Rochville. All in all I have 17 years of job experience in the language field, I am a published writer and I have experience in editing. I speak 4 languages of which one is English, and I dare to say that I speak English as well as a native speaker. I am familiar with linguistics, creative writing and classic and modern American and English literature. Thus I do not think I would be cheating myself with that degree as I have all the knowledge. Okay, I could go back to school and retake my exams - but I know I would fail again as my nervousness hasn't diminished over the years. However, I would never dare to get myself a degree without knowledge of the subject. That's fraud and I would only make a fool of myself - especially if I'd use it for professional reasons. On the Berkley website I read that they grant M.A. degrees based upon life experience. They are quite expensive, though. If I had the money I would not hesitate to get me one from there. But for now it's Rochville and I am quite satisfied with it ... I only hope that my employer-to-be will be, too!

Answer by Pauline
Submitted on 10/13/2004
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I completed my associates degree in August of 2001 and have been substitute teaching since then. I began working on my Bachelor's Degree in January of this years through Midway College. I have looked at Rochville'sweb page and emailed them many times. Each time I have ask a question they have emailed me back promptly with an answer. If anyone wants to call anyone a diploma mill it would be Midway College. We spend $4000 a semester to perform the motions of going through the teacher education program and learn nothing in the process because of teachers that have their degree but no experience. I am getting tired of handing out that kind of money and not being given the education I deserve. I have learned more while substitute teaching than I have in the classroom. I am seriously considering applying for my Life Experience Degree from Rochville. If I can't get a job with that degree then it will be only a few hundred dollars lost whereas I am wasting $4000 a semester going to Midway College. You tell me which is the more logical choice?

Answer by enileuq
Submitted on 11/10/2004
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I have 8 years of professional experience and was very seriously considering buying a degree to assist in my migration process. I have been offered a good job overseas but only subject to the approval of my employer sponsored visa. At stake is also a relationship with my partner who is based there. Without a degree, the chances of obtaining the visa is slim. I truly believed that the 'Universities' offering these options are legitimate and a source of hope for me. However, after careful research (which was how I landed here), I am now fully equipped with the knowledge of their bogus operation. If I should still decide to proceed with purchasing a degree through one of these many channels despite this knowledge, then I would have to hold myself accountable for any consequences that might follow. Please check out the website below to assist you in your research. Good luck. http://www.elearners.com/resources/diploma-mills.asp

Answer by Big J
Submitted on 11/15/2004
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I "purchased" a life experience diploma from them recently and did a little research on the company after the fact and found out that their degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on. I took it to a local college (UofA) and asked one of the Advisors to take a look at it and tell me what he thought. He said that it looks good except for a few things: 1. The name of the President is signed, but underneath it his name is not printed. It just says President Rochville University. 2. The seal is built in to the paper rather than "sealed into it" 3. Universities NEVER use real glossy thin "cheap" paper to print their degrees on! He said that he hoped I did not pay more than twenty-five cents for it, because that was about all it was worth. When I wrote Andrew Lawrence (Rochville University "Students Counselor") He just blew some smoke up my ass on how they are accredited. I demanded a refund, but of course that did not happen. I bought the degree back in March of this year (04) and once EVERY WEEK since 3/22 I wrote a letter demanding my money back, well 6 months later and about 30 letters later. They agreed to give me a 50% refund and I did receive it via pay pal a few nights ago. If you look at Rochvilleuniversity.org, affordabledegrees.com, ashwooduniversity.org and then look at the websites of all their "Accreditation sites" (BOUA etc...) you will see a pattern in the site layout, the way to contact them, and there are a few more traits you should notice. WELL GUESS WHAT? It does not take someone with a PhD to see that they are all run by the same people!!!!! They run the sites, they run the accreditation sites, they do it all. It is one big scam! When I looked at the tracking for my DHL package containing my fake degree it said that the package came from Dubi, the American Emitries. I THOUGHT ROCHVILLE SAID THEY WERE IN FLORDIA? If you buy a $200 degree from them like me, well shame on you for being blinded by the reality of having a degree! BUT IF YOU SPEND $1000's for the "courses" I'M SORRY!!! I really am.

Answer by Glenn
Submitted on 11/16/2004
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I am 53 years old and hold no degree. I have 8 years of college � the real, on-campus stuff. I have not received a degree because I was bored with undergraduate courses and spent most of my time taking post-graduate courses by special permission, even to doctoral level. I am highly respected, even considered an authority, in my field. I am published, have hosted my own radio program related to my field and have been a guest on a number of nationally syndicated TV programs. An accredited college in the Midwest solicited me and put me on staff to teach their students for 3 semesters � because I was the best they could find. (I received no credits for teaching college courses, either.) When I was younger, I often taught new hires with college degrees the basics of their jobs. I was a consultant to the higher paid degreed people in the company who envied my expertise. I could have tripled my income with an irrelevant, unrelated degree, but I did not want to waste my time finding out what so many incompetents might have learned. I have completed 3 doctoral dissertations (in different fields)for hire. People seem impressed with the degrees of my clients. I have thought since that I helped put letters behind the names of others, perhaps I should go ahead and look to those who might help me put a few letters behind mine. I agree that certifying incompetence is shameful, but accredited certification of incompetence seems little better than non-accredited certification of achievement. Glenn

Answer by Jade
Submitted on 11/30/2004
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Is this legal to obtain a degree from one of these Universities? I've seen a few out there and don't know if one is better than another. Rochelle, Ashwood, Almeda.... I ran out of money and dropped out of college 2 classes shy of my BA back in 1990. I kept saying I would go back and finish and I never did. It's killing me now searching for a new job. If I don't have BA on my resume, I don't have a prayer. I've been a Sr. Mgr in Operations for over 10 years for a leading software company. I do believe my life experience surpasses the two classes I never took to finish my degree. Sadly, it was just a math and English class. Anyone have any advice? Do employers or headhunters see these Universities and toss you immediately?

Answer by mikk
Submitted on 12/6/2004
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I got a degree from Rochville seven months ago. I figured I should, considering that I've spent the last 10 years of my life learning more about my chosen field than people who walk fresh out of college with a Master's degree. The result? I went from making $6.50 an hour at Books-A-Million to making $37,000 a year, and I'm told that I'm be best guy that's ever held my position in this company's 40+ years of existence. I'm still working on two degrees from traditional schools (night classes), but this is only possible as the result of the non-traditional degree that I got from Rochville, which I feel I truly earned. I can't even begin to explain how this pay increase has so utterly and completely changed my life.

Answer by Mishal alkhodair
Submitted on 12/10/2004
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Hi, it took me a while to fine this site, and i was too late! i was scammed into it i guess? i already got my BA degree from Rochville U. and i agree with allot of what has been said, the sites looking alike, the lack of information. like they say, its too good to be true! the only reason i got it was to get a job that suites me. and when i received the mail congratulating me on my success, the evaluation made will expire within 7 days?? i sent mail asking about this, they replied i can pay when applicable?? I'm a high school (GED) grad. and have 12 years experience in banking, translating, and management, my brother and i opened a classy Italian restaurant in our local city. and I'm opening my own business soon. i recently finished a course on auto cad operator, and currently finishing the auto cad manager course, which is real cool. i even took some 3DS, Bryce, flash, Maya, light wave and others. and I'm a scuba diver. Currently I'm out of a job. thank you for your kind insight.... MISHAL ALKHODAIR

Answer by Alyssa
Submitted on 12/14/2004
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I applied to Rochville because I believe I have more than enough experience in business administration to qualify for a bachelor's in the field. Of course I was approved within 2 days. I was a little hesitant to just cut them a cheque right off the bat, so I did a little of my own investigative work. I st up an account using the name,"Christine" and an alternate email address. "Christine" applied for a Masters in Mechanical Engineering, and this is what I types as Christine's experience: "I like cars. Sometimes I work at my uncles used cars dealership and I help him =wash the cars and vacumne them out and stuff like that, and I like boats too. Sometimes I fo to car shows and look at them and stuff, I know what cars look good and stuff like that too. I applied at a car dealership to be a mechanic but they said I had to at least graudate from high school and go to college and learn something about cars before I could do that. They told me to come back when I haved a degree in mechanical engineering. I want a masters so tbat I can have a job there and work with cars because I like cars." This is what I sent them, typos and all. Guess what?! Based on "Christine"'s life experience in the industry of mechanical engineering, she qualifies for a masters! I don't think I'll be sending out a cheque to them just yet.

Answer by Dgtlmystry
Submitted on 12/14/2004
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Apparently not everything is very, on the "up and up", with Rochville...that said I must agree with some of you folks regarding traditional education. We all see it more, and more often. People with Bachelors (and up) who don't know their a** from a hole in the ground, but that doesn't seem to matter much because they are holding a piece of paper that says they had the money and time to waste for it, or for the other less fortunate, it says that they were willing to get into a hell of a lot of debt, and probably missed out on much in their lives. I say if you can get it, do it, and let it get sorted out later, as long as you are smart about it, and don't use it to get a job that you really have no experience/knowledge in.

Answer by ballrb
Submitted on 12/14/2004
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im torn as well, i would like to see some answers for the address question, and the rn boards question. im tempted on gettn my degree this way as well. have 2 years of regular college done, but funding and life got in the way. wanted to be a pilot, went to special course , business and pro piloting courses. ran out a funds and could not finish the piloting, have alot of life exp. in alot of fields from aviation to construction to real estate courses at another uni, and helped wife become an rn, where i am a good memorizer 4 tests my wife slow at the book studies. could be intrested in the rn route fell i could pass the boards easy if the degree was acceptible. answer these questions and id give r a try. went both routes. with nothing to lose, but would not be happy if i got ripd off, and dont care bout my spelln so dont make those dumb comments. if not legit id track down and get my $$$$ worth ya know what i mean. thats why the address would make or break this deal 4 me. B

Answer by dreamkatch
Submitted on 12/16/2004
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Hi! I thought Rochville looked too good to be true. Although I believe I do have enough life experience in the field of Business Administration to be deserving of a bachelor's degree, I wanted to test their methods of evaluating who qualifies and who does not before sending them a cheque. I signed up as a different person and used an alternate email address. Using the name "Christine" I applied for a Master's of Mechanical Engineering. Here is what I wrote: "Hi. I like cars. Sometimes I wrok at my uncles used car dealership and I help him wash the cars and vacunme them out so I get to see a lot of cars and I know what ones look good and stuff like that. I like boats too. Sometimes AI go to car shows and I look at cars and stuff. I applied to be a mechanic at a dealrship but they saif until I went to shcool for something to do with cars that I couldn't work there so I want a degree here so that they will give me a job so I can work with cars because I like cars." That is exactly what I sent them - word for word - typos, run-on sentences, and all. Guess what? Based on previous experience, "Christine" qualifies! Big surprise! The emails I received from then were exactly the same as the ones I received for Business Administration. I bet I could get a PHD by simply saying,"I don't have any experience. I just want it"

Answer by Just Curious
Submitted on 12/16/2004
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I have a question for anyone willing to answer me, yet not jump down my throat for asking!! I having been going to community college for three years, but also working full time to support myself and my husband who is also in school. I attend classes mainly because of my parents who both have their Bachelor's degrees, which they earned traditionally. I have plenty of work experience and certifications through the bank I work for but I am lacking my degree. I wouldn't get a degree for Rochville University to advance in my career for I feel that I can advance in my career through hard work, or continuing my education, if I were to get one it would be to please my parents and shut them up for awhile. I guess the question I have is, if I were to get my associates degree through Rochville University and then later decide to get my Bachelor'sDegree would I be able to use the "credits" to transfer to another university to complete my education. I have already spoken to the University that I am interested in transferring to and they said a non-traditional college is acceptable, along with life experience courses as long as they could view transcripts. Do you think that the program at Rochville be acceptable? Just curious!

Answer by troublednurseteacher
Submitted on 12/21/2004
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I have been doing a lot of research about Rochville University. I have just received my PhD in Nursing from them for 5 minutes of my time and a lot of hard earned money. I did it to prove a point! I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO HAVE A DOCTORATE IN NURSING! I will never use it to gain employment. I would be embarrassed to be so dishonest and it looks foolish that I have this degree! To all you "life-experience" people out there, go back to school! You may learn something and may possibly teach someone with a formal education something too! I have both a BSN and Master's in Nursing from legitimate universities (actually went to school the old-fashioned way) and I have met a lot of interesting people in the world. Education is a lot more than a piece of paper saying you earned a degree!

Answer by Excelsior College
Submitted on 1/6/2005
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I have attended several universities, taken CLEP tests and obtained credits from on-line universities like the University of Phoenix On-line. It took me TEN YEARS, but I finally have my Bachelor's degree from an ACCREDITED UNIVERSITY! If you want it bad enough you can get it without the short cuts. Don't give me you sob stories give me your DEDICATION! I have a wife and two children. I'm an active duty military man moving all over the globe and between assignments and deployments I was able to complete mine. Additionally my wife is a drill sergeant working at times 120 hours a week (NO EXAGGERATION) and she is almost done with her Associates. Rochville (ROACH VILLE) University is a JOKE in my opinion!

Answer by Sally
Submitted on 2/2/2005
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I think that this is sad that the college degree system has been cheapened by Diploma mills. As a college student, if I didn't have to study and take countless exams at a University I don't think that I would. But the degree and what you learn from your peers and what you get exposed to-- challenging your beliefs and opening up your eyes to the world beyond me makes it worthwhile. Thinking back to the person that I was and what I believed in before college was a totally different person-- one that was much more close minded and not as cultured. There is a place on your resume to put your "Life Experience" and believe it or not my friends who didn't get that internship before graduating to get experience in an area still are without a job! So life experience does count for something, it counts for a lot. But I feel like a degree should be a privilege to have. I go to a UNC Chapel Hill and I have several friends that are on financial aid from the University so that their total costs for the entire year are only $2000 for EVERYTHING! I think that is awesome that they are trying to make it so that as many people can go as possible. But that is just my 2 cents...

Answer by stevesworth
Submitted on 2/21/2005
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I know I'm a little late getting into this discussion. Is anyone still out there? Especially 2mastersthehardway. What a sophomoric IDIOT you are! I am way past 50, have been to plenty of schools, known plenty of overly educated mentally stunted so-called brilliantly learned people that could barely work a blow drier! I am fully convinced that most of these "higher education" snobs were able to spend so much time in school because they really couldn't do much else! I applaud a person that has true life and real world experience. Maybe your spelling and grammar are not the best, but I'll bet you're really good at what you do!(unlike some overly educated Blow-hard asses we know). I would much rather walk into a building engineered by you. I happen to know plenty about blueprints and the "educated" engineers that draw them. If it weren't for the lowly contractor, who looks at them and says,"what the hell is he trying to do? Kill us all?" I'm not against education. Only against what happens to those of us that think that somehow it makes us a step or two above the people that have had to really get their hands dirty. If you people out there want to get a degree for your hard work and life experience, Go For It! Just pick a company that won't rip you off.

Answer by stevesworth
Submitted on 2/21/2005
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Oh, And this is to P Smith. Don't think I forgot about you! I recently had an 8 month hospital experience with my youngest son. If it weren't for the "experience" of the lowly nursing staff, my son would be dead right now! The Oh so brilliant Doctors knew less about my son's disease than I did! (We're talking UCLA here), It was the nurses that saved his life many times and made sure he got what he needed. They didn't get that from school! They got it from their experience and time on the floor. (and may I add, their downright love and dedication)! Your the one that's bitter. Just think, maybe someone that doesn't have the schooling you have or the RN BSN MS letters behind there name, but they've worn out allot more shoes and sweated over allot more sick people than you, maybe they DO deserve to be recognized monetarily for that! Maybe YOU need to get off YOUR ass and DO something besides make RUDE judgments directly to some very deserving, hard working people.

Answer by Henry Mason
Submitted on 3/20/2005
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OK LETS SUM THIS WHOLE MESS UP (YES TO ACHIEVE A DEGREE FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE IS A GREAT THING ) I HAVE A ASSOCIATES IN MECHANICAL ENGINEERING I CAN BUILD ANYTHING THAT IS NOT BRAGGING THAT IS FACT HOWEVER TO SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US GETTING THESE DEGREES BY LIFE EXPERIENCE WOULD MAYBE TAKE YOUR KNOW NOTHING MONEY AND PUT IT WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS ILL CHALLENGE YOU ANY WHERE ANY DAY IN MY FIELD I HAVE INVENTED 6 SPORTING GOOD PRODUCTS AND 1 MEDICAL PRODUCT AND HAVE A HIGH MATHEMATICS RATING IN IQ IS 95% THAT MEANS THERE IS ONLY 5% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD THAT TAKES THIS TEST WHO BEAT MY SCORE WITH PERFECT SCORES NOW YOU TAKE YOUR WET EARS AND YOUR BOOKS AND YOU STILL CANT OUT WEIGHT KNOWLEDGE AND COMMONSENSE THAT THE FOLKS WHO HAVE LIVED A LITTLE LONG THAN YOU WHO LEARNED MORE OUT OF SCHOOL THEN THEY DID IN SCHOOL SO (ANY DAY) ARE MY LAST WORDS TO YOU OF THIS POST (GO LIFE EXPERIENCE)

Answer by nodegreehavin_s.o.b.
Submitted on 4/5/2005
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For all those who may be interested. I have been serving in the US Armed Forces for over 13 years now, and Rochville'swebsite was stumbled upon by one of my comrades. I checked it out, and much to my dismay, I was shocked to do a little bit of research on several aspects of "Life Experience" degrees. The US Armed Forces have an agreement with a few select colleges in the United States that WILL actually give SOME credit for "life experiences" TOWARDS THE COMPLETION OF A DEGREE, not a "one for one exchange: ie you give us a list of your qualifications (experiences), and we'll give you a degree." The policy set forth by these institutions and the US Armed forces states that most colleges will ONLY allow for CORE credits for experience (mathematics, languages, sciences, etc.) and other "specialty" credits must still be obtained through an ACE-accredited college or university. As nice as it would be for me to receive my Doctorate's Degree in Electronics Engineering for my 13 years of experience in Doppler Radar operation, maintenance, troubleshooting, repair and alignment, I will not stoop as low as to try to obtain one through Rochville. I used the free qualification application for Rochville to apply for my Doctorate's Degree in Electronics, and it was approved. I, in no way, feel that I am NEARLY qualified enough to deserve a Doctorate's Degree, but if I send my $599, I can have it. I HAVE been using my "life experiences" toward an actual dual degree in Electrical and Computer Engineering. I have put in MANY long, hard hours, and I am nearing completion. When I reach this goal, I will be much more appreciative of the work that I did to get to this point. I will be receiving my degree from a smaller University, but nonetheless, it will be ACE- accredited. If anybody would be interested in how a military person CAN actually convert life experiences into college credits, do an engine search for "SOCNAV", and read to your heart's content. In conclusion, the Rochville is a NON ACE-accredited "University" so will, in most NORMAL cases, not be recognized by REPUTABLE employers. twomastersthehardway, I salute you and anyone else who earns a degree the correct way. When I reach that level, I will be able to hold my head high in my accomplishments AND my life's experiences in that I will then have KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE. Thank you for listening.

Answer by Davepo
Submitted on 8/5/2005
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If I had gone to college, I would have graduated in 1980. My degree would be about as relevant as an accordion by now. Instead, I went through nuclear power school in the Navy and learned how to operate nuclear power plants. When I got out in 1984, I got a job making over 50 grand per year...and now I'm making 75 bucks per hour as a consultant. And I still want a degree. There are two reasons I won't just buy one, though. First, I would derive no personal satisfaction from it, since it wasn't really earned in the traditional way. Second, I think a bought degree would only harm my resume, rather than enhance it. It's too easy to check on a diploma mill, and there's no physical address to record on an application. It is a quandary, especially to someone like me, who has been training new grads in real world scenarios for years.

Answer by BRETT
Submitted on 8/18/2005
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Rochville is a lie. Rochville is a diploma mill. Many comments and statements have been stated in this website as to the sinister acts of rochville. I am one who agrees 100% that they are nothing more than a piece of crap bogus, fake institution who just makes money. They have yet to answer any of my basic simple questions such as; "Who are your instructors", "Which employer's have accepted the bogus degree?", "What is your address?" all places of business wether web based or not has an address. They have clarified with me that a refund for my complaint was in process, well after months of going at it with them, they now want to know which company was it that charged my tuition. Do they not keep records of this? Why tell me months later after being assured a refund all along? Why is the same person always answering my emails aka(andrew lawrence) seems he answers all emails from everyone or he masks his name which I am sure is not real. Rochville is fraud, do not get a bogus degree from them, one day your employer will research this and you could get fired over it.

Answer by lainie
Submitted on 9/11/2005
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I have spent a great amount of time reading all of the responses on this site. I am also a Registered Nurse with an Associate's Degree. (ASN) I have greater than 20 years of experience and have functioned in the capacity of Manager/Director for 15 years. All of my positions of leadership required a Masters. I applied anyway and was hired due to my vast background of leadership experience. HOWEVER>....Last year, I had to step down from a leadership position in order to have more time/energy/and focus on one of my children. This child has been diagnosed with a chronic condition that will ensure he stays my child forever. I knew of his diagnosis 5 years ago and tried to continue to manage EVERYTHING...but had to give up the job to help him. Now that I have gotten him squared away and have plans / actions etc in place, I am ready to look for employment again. No employer will will even talk to me without the documentation of a Masters. This is very disheartening. I have attended school off and on and have numerous credits in addition to my ASN. The most rapid program available costs about $42,000 and the least expensive is about $20,000 plus 3 years of full time school. I cannot afford the time nor the money. (my child's healthcare costs average $750 out of my pocket every month) I truly believe that my experience and practice qualifies me at the Master's level. Its too bad that not only educational institutions but employers don't give recognition to experience. The world has changed....years ago, experience was so much more valuable. Now, its the money. Money is what divides the haves from the have nots. Money for degrees....

Answer by ek2005
Submitted on 9/11/2005
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Seems to me that lots of people have lots of regrets about the way their life is shaped and are prepared to take all kinds of shortcuts without taking integrity into account. For those who believe that a 20year old with a degree gets the job and the "20-year experience" holder doesn't JUST because he does not have a degree (and is otherwise a formidable candidate) I have one thing to say: DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE JUDGEMENT OF THE DECISION MAKERS! (INCL.HEADHUNTERS, ENTREPRENEURS AND SENIOR MANAGERS). It is a pitty to be witness oF such a pointless argument with many "victim" contributors offering gratitude to a bogus institution just because it offered them the shortcut they needed to get that elusive raise or promotion. A QUESTION TO ALL: If you were to be treated for a serious illness by a doctor, who would you prefer a 40 year old doctor with a decent degree he spent many years labouring over, or a 40-year-old "Rochville" graduate?

Answer by Legit Degree
Submitted on 9/14/2005
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Personally,I feel that a "Life Experiences" degree is merely a cop out for not taking the time or the sacrifice for going to school. The reason I say this is that most everyone has some sort of life experiences that would qualify for a degree. The characteristic that a bonified degree from a "real" university shows is that someone was willing to go above and beyond the standard. If you talk about leveling the playing field by being able to obtain these "Life Experiences" degrees then if those of us with real degrees obtained the "Life" degree as well,we would have two degrees thus still giving us the advantage. Besides, earning a real college degree teaches not only skills that can only be learned in the classroom, but it also teaches additional life skills that otherwise couldn't be learned no matter how good your ordinary "life skills" are. Don't get me wrong, I do feel that experiences are a valuable asset in any career or job position, but let that be for the judging of the one doing the hiring. If the one doing the hiring is truly impressed with the skills you do have and hires you above a "real" college graduate then you obviously had the skills required. However, don't try to sugar coat your experiences by claiming that you earned a degree and should be judged as having done so. That to me is like selling lemons painted red and advertising them as apples. There is obviously a difference. It may be true that someone without a degree has more skills and is more qualified for a position, but again, let that be to the discretion of the one doing the hiring. If a position is listed as requiring a BS degree or such, then there is obviously a reason a "real" BS degree is required not one obtained by someone who earned a degree by learning to ride a bike. OK, OK, maybe I'm being a bit harsh. I will admit, a college degree isn't for everyone, but if you don't have a degree, don't try to pass off as having one. I wouldn't want an old farmer delivering my baby just because he had a degree due to "life skills" earned from delivering calves for 15 years.

Answer by milyunbuks
Submitted on 9/20/2005
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Hey, I was a ROCK. (Still AM, I guess.) But I filled out the form (Rockville University) before I really investigated into the matter; because I figured with what I submitted, based on my military career, & the past 8 years of civilian work/life experience AFTER that 20+ years career, that they would come back with 'yay' or 'nay' based on what I submitted. Not to mention that I had already ATTENDED an accredited University for 1 whole year before joining, and 'pieced up' another year of college during my military career, by attending classes at different duty stations. YOU know, here a class, there a class, everywhere a class-class. (We all know the 'song'.) I still have VA benefits to finish the other '2', for a bachelor's, but at this 'stage-of-the-game' in my life, TIME is an important factor. Especially when you got 2 kids in school, the spouse, and living expenses. Going to school on VA $bennies$ won't keep that household GOING ..even w/Mom working ..unless she's making $heavy figures$ ..NOT the case. Anyway, I will not state the subject of the degree for which I applied for, but it has something to do with how well (I hope) I have written this posting without too many blubs or errors. The point I wanted to make is ..I was very disappointed to find out that this particular 'Degree from Rochville' thing was even being 'scrutinized', let alone labeled a SCAM. Seems to me, that if they (Rochville University Staff, whoever they are) 'REALLY' EVALUATED their applicants and ensured that they (their applicants) indeed (reasonably) qualified for the degree in which they are applying for (which is what I 'thought'), then in all actuality, they would not be 'scamming' anyone. There are some people who don't RATE a college degree ..in ANYTHING. And any legitimate institution KNOWING that the previous statement I just made is the TRUTH, then there is NO WAY that an institution can (legitimately) issue a degree in ANY field of study, under the circumstances in which Rochville claims to do so. The fact that ANYONE can apply and get an approval, automatically makes it a SCAM. Unfortunately, this scam thing is unfair to those who can probably legitimately apply for and RATE a degree in a particular field. But the innocent must suffer for the guilty in this case, since Rochville U. apparently doesn't have an approval/disapproval guideline or system. Maybe if there were some degrees they claim to NOT be able to issue, or some applicants found to NOT qualify, they might tend to make a little more sense, if you get my drift. I will wait for their response, and see what happens. But I am thankful for the research conducted by the few individuals on here who are 'recognized' in the field of education. I figure if I'VE heard of Rochville in the way that I 'did', there's always a chance that an EMPLOYER has heard the same. And if an employer 'hasn't', what's to say that employer won't want to 'pop' Rochville U. in a browser just to know a little about where & 'what' the 'new employee' studied. 'WHAT' was I "thinking"? It's ONE THING to have already been 'established' in a field as very COMPETENT in that field, & then maybe be found out later to have obtained a degree by this shortcut method, but you (apparrently) RATE it, anyway; but it's ANOTHER thing to be found out from 'Jump Street', recently after hire, to have a degree from such a source, regardless of how great!! you may be in the field. THIS is not a good thing, since you haven't demonstrated anything to the employer yet, except that you condone shortcuts. My apologies for being long-winded here, but I wanted to get my point(s) across. I vote against this method of obtaining a college degree, even for someone who legitimately meets or surpasses the requirements for the degree they apply for via Rochville. After reviewing this situation, it is my sincere belief that a great PART of obtaining a college degree to show a level of education, is WHAT an individual DID to GET that degree. Peace.

Answer by S.A Reed
Submitted on 10/19/2005
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I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. After reading the responses about these bogus degree programs, it has become evident that you get what you pay for. Most of the people who claim to have a degree from Rochville are using bad grammar and have a lot of misspelled words in their writing. If the employer is so neglectful in his duties that he doesn�t realize this, then he deserves to have an employee who is substandard. I wouldn�t hire a person who couldn�t use punctuation correctly and pay him the same as a college grad. I wouldn�t hire a college grad doesn�t know how to use basic punctuation. Those who use a degree mill in lieu of college are missing a vital component of the education that life does not always instill. College provides a roundness of character that lets people be more creative and think outside the box. I'm not saying that people without a degree are less creative, but I do believe you get a better world view when you go to college. I would also like to ask: who would you hire? A person who would work for a degree in a certain field and get the latest ideas and advancements from an accredited college taught by some of the top professionals of that field, or some guy who took a shortcut and paid for a bogus degree?

Answer by Jim Hammons
Submitted on 10/25/2005
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I have read the comments for and against the deploma mills. I chose to go the traditional path for my own reasons and do no judge people for seeking degrees as long as the law allows it. Most of the traditional colleges I have been in the business of making money so they ignore the classes from accredited colleges because they seek to have you take their classes and pay them instead. I still think that life experienced with a traditional doploma holds more wieght than life experience by itself. I am struggling to make it on my own and it is a struggle. So for me the choice is real schools that are recognized by employers and real life experience that you can back up. knowledge is not knowing everything, but how much you are willing to admit that you don't know. Teaching is a proud profession that should be recognized and rewarded, I do not want my children to feel that short cuts are the best way to go. I do want to be recognized for for over 20 years of work experience, as most everyone else does. My spelling sucks and my math is not the greatest in the world but hey I worked hard for my D+ in College mathmatics. We all have week areas that we could use a little help on. So I guess for me, traditional education gives me the oportunity to add to my life experience. I admit that people are treated badly when they do not have a degree. I have been in those shoes a long time. Life has taught me that the honest person who lives by the rules is often left in the dust. It is for me, not my employer that I seek higher education. I want to make more money and get ahead like all of you. But when I finally get that dream job and the promotions, it will be me that did it, my hard work and dedication to both traditional education and a job well done will pay off. But as I said before, this is the path that I chose. Not everyone has my values.

Answer by quitchabellyachin
Submitted on 1/10/2006
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After reading these comments, I have noticed a reoccurring theme. It appears that pro Rochville comments are repeatedly scribed by whiners that feel persecuted by society and suffer from delusions of paranoia. A number of correspondents indicated that the price of a genuine education simply put a legitimate degree out of reach. Come on, bite the bullet and pay up! I paid for every penny of my own degree with student loans. Should I be paid more than someone without a degree? Absolutely! In addition, not all degree holding colleagues and employers are out to get you. So, quit complaining and start studying. Here's a thought for you to chew on. Maybe it's your work ethic that is holding you back?

Answer by Reality
Submitted on 1/18/2006
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To all, First off I would like to begin by stating my position. I am 20 years old, 3 years into college and apperantly I will have to complete almost 5 years of college just to earn a bachelor's degree. In today's society, people have been blinded by the reality of this world. Has anyone stopped to asked themselves the purpose of my degree. Ask yourself, If this courrupt and obvious crumbling society did not make a bachelors degree mandatory, how much of us would actually attend college. Today'sworld has been set up as a program, that we all follow like robots. You are born, go to school, and when you finally work through 12 years of school, you are faced with two decisions about life, college or the military. God forbid you don't choose either society will chew you up and spit you out. The military is giving your life to the government, and college is the same bulls* you went through high school for another 4 years. How many of you who got a traditional degree actually retained at least 50% of that information? I recently watched a program on the history channel, depicting the lives of Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, and many great leaders of our past. Most of these men, who have made this all possible(electricty, telephones and communication)did not recive an education past the equvilant of an 8th grader. Yet, these men have created our way of life. Those of you againts these degree's should ask your self why the billion dollar industry of higher learner still exists, is so important, and continues to grow each year. Why should we pay 20,000 to 30,000dollars a year to recive this education. Why is the government so quick to offer financial assistance, rather than using their power to regulate the costs of an education. They choose to regulate everything else we do in life why not the most important factor that determines americans future. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!, society dosen'tcare about you or your accomplishment of a 4year degree. The only place that it will get you is thousands of dollars in debt, HOPEFULLY you can land a great job, and maybe some pride from people out there, but ask youreslf, dose that really matter in life.....? Everyone out here knows that majorirty of the citizen's of this country cannot afford that extra expense. Most people who need the degree to make it in society salaries aren't even as much as the tuition. If you don't agree with anything I say, you have to agree, the SAT, your ticket to college is rediculous. How dare society wants to test my intelligence through a Standardize test, which is given to millions each year. The sh on that test aint reality and ain't nothing close to how life is.. GET A GRIP! I agree with GaryY and other's, on the basis that you should have experience and knowledge in any field you choose to pursit, lack of knowledge will only undermine the reputation of these uni., as well as those of us who have took advantage of it. Reality Check: Straight up, there isn't a damn thing wrong with purchasing your degree.My main question to all of you out there, and I want you tho think really hard, "Is purchasing a degree, in order to accomplish your goals in life, wrong in the eyes of GOD? Pay attention, Life dosent not revolve around college. Life is life, and unless you have experienced it, you don't know Sh**.

Answer by CAT
Submitted on 1/20/2006
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I have nothing bad to say about this program.I'm a working adult, student, mom,wife, volunteer. I have been working the night shift full time and going to school full time and its hard.(I lack 20 hours for my associate degree) I spend time during the day doing what I thought I couldn't do untill I had a degree.The only diffrence is I don't get paid. I actually assist the director of the Boys and Girls club.( who seems to be at a total lost.) I pretty much do the foot work, the phone calls and create the projects and make sure the projects are followed threw. She gets the pay check.I have even founded my own organization which I'm very proud of. Real life experience is priceless and I hope this trend continues. The cost of college continues to rise and it makes it almost impossible for working adults like myself. Of course a young 18 year old with no family and no responsibilites but a frat party may argue diffrent. I would choose a responsible experienced person any day. Just a note I've only looked at the website I have not recieved a degree from them.Not yet any way ! lol Also this is nothing new i have a 70 year old mentor who reieved a business degree when she was much younger out of state, she attended class and they gave her life credits as well.

Answer by SAHNAZ
Submitted on 1/20/2006
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Different people different views for me i always believed in life experience rather then some "book bug creature" who after finishing so called PHD knows nothing about the real world , since he was so busy reading the book and tests.Me i dropped out of highschool since i stopped believing in the 10 different subject, to be perfect you gotta emphasize on 1 and be excellent on it, instead i traveled the world went to different folk high school for 1 semester, and moved on to another country i did voluntary jobs there, and now i get a BA in cultural studies from an online university,i save the money and use it in real learning. online university or diploma mills whatever, is the best for a person like me, who believes in real learning rather then being a book bug nerd. good luck n go for it.

Answer by Wealthyone
Submitted on 1/21/2006
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As it works out I happened across this blog and I just had to throw my hat into the ring. First, I must say both sides seem to be winners. To those of the orthodox, you are winners because indeed it takes painstaking effort to complete any educational degree. From this you have learned much about the unwritten textbook, "Effectively organized thoughts and process". And with this, you will learn to patiently study both job and people. So I test you once more by saying, "This is what all sensible managers see, and eventually promote...not the degree". As for the "Life Experienced", you have dwelt in the house of grief, tasted the bitterness of your own sweat and suffered the death of something deep inside yourself. For this you may find great comfort and pride, but beware of that which comes easily. Is it not enough insight that your true life experience has taught you that the pain that comes with accomplishment has a meaning. The very effort we put into any action brings us closer to what is real, tangible and ours to call our own. Over time I have come to believe we all share many common threads: Work is rarely fun; at times life can suck; and most things related to accomplishment are painful. So, no matter how each side views the other, remember we have all suffered to get where we are today. One last thought: Life truly is like a box of chocolates, but only you can choose the ones you like!

Answer by a real person?
Submitted on 2/12/2006
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I am starting my degree for business with the University of Phoenix (online) tomorrow, and i just ran across this Rochville pop up. I have 13 years in law enforcement. I started at our local University, and have completed about 12 credits,and then had to work due to a loss in the family, and finances. I was blessed to get hired in for my career in law enforcement, and prior to this i received my state certification from a tech school for private security. I have worked for ADT for 2 years in sales ,and consulting, and have well over 1200 hrs of training in the field, and academy. So, I am told that I can submit essays to the University of Phoenix online to get credits based upon life experience, but they charge an application fee for this process, and a charge per credit received from life experience. It seems that these universities do provide a "well rounded" foundation for students, but they also want the $$$$$$. So if i do receive my criminal justice degree from an Online University, I feel that I deserveit. All of our in-service training is college accredited course work. I would like the hours to transfer. I do feel that the degrees should be heavily examined so that we are not subjected to a madman working in a hospital, on our children, and claiming a Doctorate in medicine. Maybe the Feds can regulate the criteria for degree awards, or something. obtaining a degree is something that we all should strive to attain, because the knowledge is priceless, and changes your outlook on life. Not just the degree, but the learning process, and the accomplished works. Awarding these degrees within reason, and certification is more appealing, but who's to say that these Uni'sarent just milking the FEDERAL $$ off of each student. Their are always electives, and required courses. let me lay this one on you. I called the FBI to apply for an application, and the agent asked if I had a degree, and Istated no, but Iwill be going back to school. She then asked me if I had any professional work experience, and I stated 10 years at that time...She stated "Oh that's equivalent to a degree with that much "professional experience, and you can still apply". So the life experience is just as valid as going to college around a bunch of "kids" with no sense of direction. I'll tell you what. If you take awaya ll the partying, and booze, then they would have about a two year academic degree. This may be why they get a degree in MArketing,and work as a Mcdonald'smanager? What in the hell kind of sense does that make. Oh by the way. I worked in fast food for six years, and turned down a management positon, then did a 3 year internship with a music industry professional (20 years in music production) and avid songwriter..but I am not asking for those degrees. Why should we have to pay the Universities for our own credentials. The real deal is that "EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHER"...Hey I am a real person with ambition. So I am told this University of Phoenix degree will add up to about 20000.00 a year(ABA degree) and 20000.00 more for my B.A in Business/Marketing. That is over $40000 to put my life in a credentialed status, and on paper? Oh and thats without the life credits $$. We only limit ourselves in life. If the FBI says it's good enough for them, then it's good enough for me. I know alot of people that are college educated and have several degrees, that don't have a clue of the real world, and how to deal with people. Everything is not learned in the books. In the police academy they told us, learn this stuff, and really pay attention. Then your "FTO" Field Training Officer tells you to forget all that stuff you learned in the academy. Out here on the streets, you have to pay attention, or get killed! It's really real in the field, and we can't afford to make a mistake. We want to do what?....We want to go home!!! every night, and that's what I try to do. Please don't knock experience. It is priceless. Stay true, and give God his 10% in philanthrophy, deeds, offerings, and love. One Life...One Love...Live on... stay strong. Just live right!

Answer by a real person?
Submitted on 2/12/2006
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I am starting my degree for business with the University of Phoenix (on line) tomorrow, and i just ran across this Rochville University pop up. I have 13 years in law enforcement. I started at our local University, and have completed about 12 credits,and then had to work due to a loss in the family, and finances. I was blessed to get hired in for my career in law enforcement, and prior to this i received my state certification from a tech school for private security. I have worked for ADT for 2 years in sales ,and consulting, and have well over 1200 hrs of training in the field, and academy. So, I am told that I can submit essays to the University of Phoenix on line to get credits based upon life experience, but they charge an application fee for this process, and a charge per credit received from life experience. It seems that these universities do provide a "well rounded" foundation for students, but they also want the $$$$$$. So if i do receive my criminal justice degree from an On line University, I feel that I deserve it. All of our in-service training is college accredited course work. I would like the hours to transfer. I do feel that the degrees should be heavily examined so that we are not subjected to a madman working in a hospital, on our children, and claiming a Doctorate in medicine. Maybe the Feds can regulate the criteria for degree awards, or something. obtaining a degree is something that we all should strive to attain, because the knowledge is priceless, and changes your outlook on life. Not just the degree, but the learning process, and the accomplished works. Awarding these degrees within reason, and certification is more appealing, but who's to say that these Universities are not just milking the FEDERAL $$ off of each student. Their are always electives, and required courses. let me lay this one on you. I called the FBI to apply for an application, and the agent asked if I had a degree, and I stated no, but I will be going back to school. She then asked me if I had any professional work experience, and I stated 10 years at that time...She stated "Oh that's equivalent to a degree with that much "professional experience, and you can still apply". So the life experience is just as valid as going to college around a bunch of "kids" with no sense of direction. I'll tell you what. If you take away a ll the partying, and booze, then they would have about a two year academic degree. This may be why they get a degree in Marketing,and work as a MCDONALD'S's manager? What in the heck kind of sense does that make. Oh by the way. I worked in fast food for six years, and turned down a management position, then did a 3 year internship with a music industry professional (20 years in music production) and avid songwriter..but I am not asking for those degrees. Why should we have to pay the Universities for our own credentials. The real deal is that "EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHER"...Hey I am a real person with ambition. So I am told this University of Phoenix degree will add up to about 20000.00 a year(ABA degree) and 20000.00 more for my B.A in Business/Marketing. That is over $40000 to put my life in a credentials status, and on paper? Oh and thats without the life credits $$. We only limit ourselves in life. If the FBI says it's good enough for them, then it's good enough for me. I know a lot of people that are college educated and have several degrees, that don't have a clue of the real world, and how to deal with people. Everything is not learned in the books. In the police academy they told us, learn this stuff, and really pay attention. Then your ""FTO"" Field Training Officer tells you to forget all that stuff you learned in the academy. Out here on the streets, you have to pay attention, or get killed! It's really real in the field, and we can't afford to make a mistake. We want to do what?....We want to go home!!! every night, and that's what I try to do. Please don't knock experience. It is priceless. Stay true, and give God his 10% in philanthropy, deeds, offerings, and love. One Life...One Love...Live on... stay strong. Just live right!

Answer by richierich
Submitted on 2/18/2006
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The United States Department of Education does not recognize Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA), Universal Council for Online Education Accreditation (UCOEA), International Accreditation Agency for Online Universities (IAAOU), or World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) as an accrediting agency for higher learning. If the US government does not recognize the accreditation, then why should any prospective students want to attend your organization? Go to www.ed.gov (to verify that the four agency listed on rochville univeristy website [www.rochvilleuniversity.org] are not recognized by the US government.) Also, .org stands for organization, but all the university websites I know of that are legit have a .edu for their website. Does the school accept Title IV -- Student Finanical Aid from the US government? You may teach students at the organization and use the university name, but the degrees are NOT recognized by any accreditation agency acceptable to the US government!! Those are the FACTS!!

Answer by MeMe
Submitted on 3/2/2006
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I believe if you have the life experience then you should go for it. I also think you should be given the chance to prove your qualities and knowledge in respect of the job. The point behind it all is to know that what you are applying for is something you can really do! Most true college graduates are mad, because they have spent the time and an diploma mills avoid that segment. I think everyone should just be happy for anyone that succeeds in this society period. The world is hard enough everyone should be given a chance to better themselves. But, I do believe they (Life Degrees) should be accepted, after testing is done. Like I said everyone needs to live in this very expensive economy, so be happy for those that succeed with the degrees, and support there success!!

Answer by teedoff
Submitted on 3/2/2006
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Rochville... I spent 10 years accumulating credits from a plethora of universities. Each time I moved, my credits did not. This university would not accept that universities courses and so on and so on. I spent years of my life as well as thousands of dollars was carrying 21 credit loads per semester and never seemed to get ahead. Thank GOD Rochville consolidated my credits into one degree. Not everyone who applies for a degree from a school like Rochville uses 'life experience' I am more qualified in my field and hold more specialized training than the majority of my peers. Hats OFF to anyone who has suffered the way I have and finally did something about it!

Answer by mamaT
Submitted on 3/2/2006
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I, too have a degree from Rochville. I received it in 2003, and have just been sitting on it. I have been afraid to use it. I have done a lot of research as well, and also only got that they are located in Sarasota, Fl, but no address. I am in the medical field and have been for 15 years. I didn't have the time to attend a traditional school, working full time and having children. This degree sounded perfect, with my experience, I was able to receive a BS in "health science". Will this pan out? But, as I said earlier, I have yet to place it on my resume for fear that I will be "caught" as a cheat. I would like to get into the pharmaceutical industry, and know that they will do a background check. Any advice or insight would be nice.

Answer by ecomsuccess
Submitted on 3/6/2006
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Well it's now March 2006 and it seems that no authority has charged Rochville with any sort of crime. I'm sure there have been complaints by now and there they are....still offering life experience degrees. I have to conclude that no crime has been committed. What has changed in the past two years since this debate started is that many other universities are offering credit for life experience and courses completed at other institutions. I have worked alongside University graduates as a College Instructor [in a traditional college] that don't know the difference between (there and their) some start sentences with And. I have also worked alongside some experienced people who have never been to university that make the same mistakes. One thing I will state with certainty. I will hire the experienced worker over the recent graduate anyday. If I am lucky enough to find a university graduate with a ton of experience and a good work ethic that is a real bonus. I could care less where the degree was obtained. I prefer to look at the resume and try to determine what this person has accomplished. If their references are strong and they have a positive attitude then they will make a good worker. Degree or no Degree it will still take a while for a person to adjust to a new job. The experience will soar over the education everytime. There are many things that you can't learn in a classroom. There is no school like the school of hard-knocks.

Answer by CLAUDIO
Submitted on 3/20/2006
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YOUR DISCUSSIONS ARE ALL RUBBISH AND IMMATERIAL. IF THE DEGREES PROVIDED BY ROCHVILLE UNIVERSITY WERE NOT LEGAL, THE INSTITUTION WOULD HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED AND PROSECUTED. WE ARE LIVING IN THE COUNTRY OF LAWS AND NOT IN THE JUNGLE. THIS REALLY SHOWS HOW PEOPLE WHO WENT TO TRADDITIONAL SCHOOLS ARE FEELING RIGHT NOW WHEN THOSE THEY THOUGTH ARE LITTLE GUYS ARE REBOUNDING. MY ADVICES TO ALL OF YOU ARE TO KEEP QUITE AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESSES. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT UP WITH IT, PLEASE BE MY GUEST AND PUT A COMPLAINT TO THE STATE OR FEDERAL ATTORNEY AND WE SHALL FOLLOW THE OUTCOME. DO NOT DISCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH AND IN THEIR LIFE. JEALOUSY IS NOT GOOD. YOU HAD YOUR TIME AND LET OTHERS FOLLOW THEIR DREAM. THIS IS A DEMOCRACY AND LAND OF FREEDOM. AMERICA AND ITS PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL. MAY U.S. BE BLESSED. CLAUDIO

Answer by Josue
Submitted on 4/6/2006
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Dear People, I appreciate that time everyone has taken to express themselves about this subject (of accomplishing their degree). I also know that the cost of college education is extremely high, almost a luxury to acquire). The one thing that I did not like from Rochville University is the following: Even though, I did submit my resume to them (which was the ONLY thing I submitted), and the documented facts on my resume are true. They informed me that I was eligible for my Bachelor of Science. What if 50% of my resume was made up false data and 50% true? They informed me the following: "Avail this amazing offer from Rochville University and get your Bachelor's Degree within 5 days. Accredited by BOUA and UCOEA, the degrees awarded by Rochville University are recognized and accepted worldwide." I think every university of this type, which evaluates knowledge based on experience or personally study or research, should have more requirements. When a degree says, Bachelor of Science, it also means that person has the knowledge that is attained by coursing, math, physics, and general sciences. For Bachelor of Arts, there are certain knowledge on arts and humanities. If you have studied nothing of science or humanities, how can a degree state that? I do not believe that experience in itself can provide the knowledge which makes up a curriculum of Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Arts and even less a master or a Ph.D.

Answer by Trish
Submitted on 5/1/2006
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GaryT and many of the other posters here fail to recognize there are only a handful of legitimate accreditation institutions. Whether or not John Deere chooses to accept a degree that was bought over earned is a mute point, because Rochville is not accredited for technical or academic degrees. They are not accredited, period, and that is a fact. It is a bogus degree, end of story. It is a degree you buy instead of work for and earn. If you want a legitimate degree, then unfortunately you must spend the time and effort required. I would have liked a quick and easy (and cheaper) way out, too; however, I want a degree that means something and holds its own weight. No, not everyone who has a college degree is smarter than others who do not hold one; however, they have put in their time and effort and proven their commitment. They have a GPA to distinguish themselves - good or bad - and their work ethic and natural smarts will determine if they truly make it in the work world. Point in hand - and I do not mean to offend or pick - some of you who are pushing this as a legitimate degree and justifying it with your plethora of experience need to brush up on your grammar and spelling. Someone with a legitimate college degree knows the difference between "to" and "too," when to use an apostrophe and when not to, so on and so forth. And I'll agree with the comment "a man is what he makes himself," but a real man will not present himself to be someone he is not. By the way - I am not a spoiled child who had Mom and Dad pay for college. I paid my own way through and got a late start. I was 35 years old before I had my degree. If you want it, go out and get it and quit looking for short cuts that make you look lazy, sound like you justify your actions by way of a slippery slope fallacy (not appreciated or recognized as a legitimate argument in the world of academia or business-look it up), and sound stupid. Again, not meaning to offend - but I think you need to hear it straight-up.

Answer by afwarrior
Submitted on 5/14/2006
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It�s been interesting reading all the different points of view expressed about the validity and quality of a degree from Rochville University. It�s pretty clear to me that if you get your degree from an organization with a .com address and not a .edu address, then you are getting what you pay for, not necessarily for what you know. Having said this, I must disclose that I have a MS degree in Military Science and Operational Art from Rochville University. I am retired from the U.S. Air Force with over 33 years of service. I also have a so-called �real� Master�s from the George Washington University, a very respected university. During my service I went to many training classes and completed various professional military education courses accumulating over 47 semester hours of graduate level credit. However, there was no program I could find to consolidate all of these credits into a specific degree. Rochville offered just such an opportunity. I sent them a list of the schools/training I had completed and the credits awarded by the American Council of Education (ACE). They awarded a degree in the discipline I requested. Is this a �valid� educational degree? I my case, I think so. Is this a �quality� educational degree? Again, to me, I think so. I used valid college equivalent credits to gain the degree. If you �cheat� in documenting your experience, knowledge, or credentials, then you have to make your own evaluation as to what the degree actually means. To the individual who said life experience doesn�t count as much as a college education, I would say you are way off base. Just a quick example why I say this...I have a friend who has been in the Construction Management business for over 40 years. He has no degree in Construction Management (CM), but has worked on construction projects all over the world. I doubt very much that someone with a degree in CM knows as much as my friend does about CM. For anyone who is interested, especially any military personnel (active or retired) here is a quote from ACE, �For more than a half century the Guide to the Evaluation of Educational Experiences in the Armed Services has been the standard reference work for recognizing learning acquired in military life. Since 1942, the American Council on Education has worked cooperatively with the US Department of Defense, the armed services and the US Coast Guard in helping hundreds of individuals earn academic credit for learning achieved while serving their country�. Check them out at www.militaryguides.acenet.edu. Also, another way to get credit for your life experience and job training/skills is to check out Excelsior College (www.excelsior.edu). I must also disclose that, over the years, I have received (2) Associates and (2) Bachelor�s degrees from Excelsior (formerly called Regents College). The following comes from their web site, �Credit for Training� Make the most of training completed through the military, criminal justice programs, and other job settings when the training has been approved by the American Council on Education (ACE), National PONSI, Excelsior College, or another regionally accredited college or university�. They also offer a way to get credit for your life/career experience by their �Portfolio-Based Assessment�In the Portfolio-Based Assessment program, faculty will assess your prior degree-related, college-level learning acquired from considerable life/career experience � specifically, students who have been in their field for years, have the experience and credentials, and would like to have that knowledge evaluated for course credit at Excelsior College�. Whatever it takes for you to meet your own personal goals, I say, �just go for it� and don�t let naysayers tell you differently�but be true to yourself or it�s all for nothing.

Answer by HB1976
Submitted on 5/16/2006
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Is there anyone who has obtained job advancement by presenting your Rochville Certificate? Just curious- For me I have worked in the early childhood field with typically developing children and also special needs ranging from mild to severe- I have more knowledge than I ever anticipated just to simply make it through each day with perhaps...-just for example: a spinal Bifida child who needs catherized to urinate- yes I did it- we had to but, we were trained! or for a child who was paralized from neck down who needs suctioning with a specialized device- I did it- was trained! I have worked with children for over 13 years have my Credentials I & II Certificates and numerous training certificates related to the field- I am a Parent Educator with the nationally accredited Parents As Teachers program,I am certified as a CPS Tech and after 2 electives- Psychology and Sociology I will have an associate in Early Childhood Education it has taken me 6 years just to get my associate because I have always worked full time from the moment I graduated from highschool - I have at times worked a fulltime and parttime job just to make ends meet- No, I don't have a bunch of kids!!! I am 30 years old -no kids - just a hard worker who loves what I do but, the pay stinks! I didn't have a Dad and Mom to hand everything to me - they supported me emotionally but, couldn't afford to support me otherwise- The schooling I have obtained has been from scholarships, grants and the sweat of my brow-and I do have a 4.0 GPA- What gets to me is these little prissy people who brag about there educations and what not that their Mommy and Daddy paid for and they got to just simply focus on school -no job-sit in a dorm- I have always had to work and take classes as I can- I don't regret it - I will finish eventually (I hope!) But, I will be able to smile and know that I did it all - on my own!!!!! I don't see the problem with life skills diplomas- I feel like I deserve a doctorate because I feel good in what I have accomplished - little piece of paper aside- You can't take it with you! If I could get a degree from Rochville and know it would gain me a little extra cash on the paycheck- I would do it- But, in a related field- Just because I can insert a cathater doesn't mean I want to be a nurse- Be realistic to your experience and previous education and then Go For it- if it PAYS off!

Answer by Lucifer666
Submitted on 5/22/2006
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I have a big Q, Since I was 15 I've worked at various companies. I have my high school diploma and 1 tear and 2 months of college under my belt. I have just started working for a company that works with the military side by side. All of the workers inside have BA'sin business and other fields. I feel left out of the loop. I'm not looking for a way out, no matter how this sounds I just feel i to deserve a degree or something. If I were to get a degree from rochville I would try to further it by getting an MBA after 2 years. I was planning on going to a university in japan. As it is I am going to a community college now, money is very tight which really sucks for me. I feel bad becuase of the low money i bring in, I already have 32 college credits earned but at my company people with the same basic knowledge and EXP are getting the better jobs because of a piece of paper. $12 hr is okay but when you have credit card bills to pay, students loans from a community college, life insurance, car insurance, car payments..... What should i do, if a degree can help me out money wise I am all for it, my past exp i have earned speaks for itself. I have worked hard and deserve a break even if I'm starting out young (20).. What should I do

Answer by Law Dog
Submitted on 5/27/2006
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I have been in various types of Law Enforcements for over 10 years. I have a 2 civilian Police Post acadamy certs, military law enforcement acadamy cert, K9 acadamy certs, FBI SWAT acadamy cert, FBI bomb blast investigation cert, Survival Escape Resistance and Evasion cert, and about a dozen other certifications in my feild. I also speak 3 languages, (2 fluently and 1 broken). I added up all of my training hours and course hours, it translated into about 300 potential college credits, problem was I could only find colleges that would except no more than about 90-105 credits toward bachlors and about 54-57 toward an associates, (due to lack of core requirments). Rochville assesed my credentials and qualified me for BAA in Criminal Justice. Is it legit? I can back my knowledge up in my feild, plus I have a lot of "real world" experience to go along with it. Bottom line is: If the person applying for the degree is honest about their experience and back ground, I say it is OK legitiment.

Answer by concerned_DOT_edu
Submitted on 6/8/2006
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Hello All. I'm concerned about the negative attitude that seems to have developed over this issue. It is in my opinion that receiving a degree based on Life Experience is a wonderful idea. Many people are copiated with bounds of useful knowledge that they can share with someone else. Everyone can learn something from someone else. You can have a degree from a Nationally/ Regionally accredited university and still be an ignorant, petty jerk. Likewise, you can have a degree from what we're referring to as a "phoney school" or "diploma mill" and be a very inspiring and grateful person. Education is and will continue to be what you know and how others view what you know. With a degree from UGA, for instance, you've merely pleased the professors at that institution that you had with your coursework. You can submit similar answers to assignments based on the same questioning at LAU and they may not be as accepted. Education is all in being recognized by someone unfamiliar for what you know. Whose to say that these people at Rochville, Lexington, etc., are any less intelligent than your Professors at a major university? That some the Professors at major university's weren't "given" their degrees. We all know that some work harder than others and receive no more, and sometimes even less credit than the the Big University's Offensive Lineman or favored Band Student, etc. No one knows for sure what knowledge someone else possesses. The solution to this monotony is simple: hire the person based on the conversations you have with them. Granted, I wouldn't suggest you hire these people as doctors or heads of a financial system unless you know that they know what they're talking about. Quiz them on the bases of what they should know- you can then weed out those who know and those who can only show. And if one does get through the system- evaluate them post-hire. If you can't detect from then that the person knows nothing- maybe you should be the one rethinking your degree.

Answer by Abegail fr. Philippines
Submitted on 6/14/2006
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Hello to everyone! this is abegail from Philippines, i've been searching or surfing many times about on-line school like University of Phoenix etc., but the problem is our country is not included in there lists of countries indicated. So, i tried again until i found out the Rochville University im so nervous when i fill out their forms coz i didnt know if im going to pass or not. at this moment i received their email saying that im qualified or approved to the courses ive choosed, then after a while i surf again to gain more info about Rochville then i found out this Q & A portions my happiness turns to think about again if im going to grab this or not! Please i really need your help i love to study internationally. Please! God Bless to everyone! Abegail

Answer by Deep Thought
Submitted on 7/16/2006
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Here is a list of bogus accreditation organisation: Accrediting Commission International�based in Arkansas Accreditation Governing Commission of the United States of America American Association of Drugless Practitioners Commission on Accreditation American Association of International Medical Graduates American Council of Private Colleges and Universities American Naturopathic Medical Certification and Accreditation Board (ANMCAB) Association for Distance Learning (ADLP) Association for Online Academic Excellence�possibly based in Wales Association of Christian Colleges and Theological Schools�based in Virginia Board of Online Universities Accreditation Central States Council on Distance Education�4401 Connecticut Avenue NW, Suite 205, Washington DC 20001 Commission on Medical Denturitry Accreditation (COMDA) Council for International Education Accreditation (CIEA) Council on Medical Denturitry Education (COMDE) Distance Graduation Accrediting Association Distance Learning Council of Europe European Council for Distance & Open Learning Examining Board of Natural Medicine Practitioners Higher Education Accreditation Commission Higher Education Services Association Inter-Collegiate Joint Committee on Academic Standards International Accreditation Agency for Online Universities International Accreditation Association International Accreditation for Universities, Colleges and Institutes International Accrediting Association for Colleges and Universities International Association of Universities and Schools International Commission for Higher Education International Commission of Open Post Secondary Education International Council for Open and Distance Education International University Accrediting Association�based in California National Academy of Higher Education (NAHE) National Commission on Higher Education National Distance Learning Accreditation Council Non-Traditional Course Accreditation Body Southern Accrediting Association of Bible Institutes and Colleges United Congress of Colleges�Ireland, UK US-DETC�Nevada (not to be confused with the legitimate DETC, based in Washington DC.) Universal Council for Online Education Accreditation Virtual University Accrediting Association�based in California World Association of Universities and Colleges�based in Nevada World Online Education Accrediting Commission World-wide Accreditation Commission of Christian Educational Institutions http://www.credentialwatch.org/non/agencies.shtml

Answer by TTTKENT
Submitted on 7/16/2006
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To all that have made comments on the virtue of an experience degree. I agree with those people on the point of life experience. If you do not have it-do not take credit for it. I have many years of experience and both formal education along with practical education. I was forced into the formal education situation and was a bit ticked when going into a class to listen to a "Professor" give his lecture via a 10 inch TEAC. By the middle part of the semester, there were as many recorders in the hall as the TEAC at the podium. My military education provided more education in 2 years than many years in the formal classroom. I have 4.0 scores in Eduneering courses, UoP courses and other means of practical education offered by my company. In summary of the above, life experience is a way of life in my field - heavy construction test and startup engineering. I plan to pursue a BS in Mechanical Engineeering Technology. I have the education, the practical experience and certainly the balls to back up this degree. As with GaryT and others - a book will give you an open door. The work and dedication to detail will give you the ability to walk through it.

Answer by :) 4444
Submitted on 7/18/2006
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The Alumni Area is not activated as yet and we will notify you when it is activated. Rest assured that it will be a comprehensive facility offering you exclusive services and benefits like Career Counseling, interaction with other graduates, online shopping for souvenirs of the University, ordering additional documents at discounted rates etc. If you have any query, please feel free to contact me. Regards, Andrew Lawrence Students' Counsel ------------------------------------- You can order for ancillary products like rings, gowns etc. from the Alumni Area. Currently the Alumni Area is not activated and we will notify you when it is activated. If you have any query, please feel free to contact me. Regards, Andrew Lawrence Students' Counselor ------------------------------------------- I. You can order for ancillary products like rings, gowns etc. from the Alumni Area. Currently the Alumni Area is not activated and we will notify you when it is activated. II. Your degree is just like any traditional degree and has the same level of acceptance. Our Graduates have used this degree effectively to get good jobs, to get promotions in the existing jobs and to pursue higher education. Also Rochville University has received formal institutional accreditation from Universal Council for Online Education Accreditation in the United states of america. We are located in the USA are These Life Experience degrees are now widely accepted and we have an approval rate of 99%. Over 38,000 working adults have received accredited degrees from Rochville University. If you have any query, please feel free to contact me. Regards, Andrew Lawrence Students' Counselor this site is sponcered by Sponsoring Registrar: Go Daddy Software, Inc. (R91-LRMS) Domain Name Registration, Domain Transfers. Your domain name ... GoDaddy.com: Pay less for domain names. Register your .com, .net and .org domains. Bulk pricing and private ... Go Daddy is a fully accredited ICANN registrar. www.godaddy.com/ - 90k - Jul 16, 2006 - Cached - Similar pages Registrant: GoDaddy.com 14455 N. Hayden Road Suite 219 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: GODADDY.COM Created on: 02-Mar-99 Expires on: 02-Mar-12 Last Updated on: 03-Feb-06 Administrative Contact: GoDaddy.com, GoDaddy.com Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source GoDaddy.com 14455 North Hayden Road Suite 219 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States 4805058800 Fax -- 4805058844 Technical Contact: GoDaddy.com, GoDaddy.com Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source GoDaddy.com 14455 North Hayden Road Suite 219 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States 480-505-8800 Fax -- 480-505-8844 Domain servers in listed order: CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET CNS3.SECURESERVER.NET Domain ID:D98327784-LRMS Domain Name:ROCHVILLEUNIVERSITY.ORG Created On:09-Jul-2003 04:51:28 UTC Last Updated On:03-Jul-2006 09:50:58 UTC Expiration Date:09-Jul-2007 04:51:28 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:Go Daddy Software, Inc. (R91-LRMS) Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED Registrant ID:GODA-012035041 Registrant Name:Joseph Lee Registrant Organization:rochvilleuniversity.org Registrant Street1:520 Main street Suite 401 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Malden Registrant State/Province:Massachusetts Registrant Postal Code:02148 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+1.640-555-6301 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email:Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source Admin ID:GODA-212035041 Admin Name:Joseph Lee Admin Organization:rochvilleuniversity.org Admin Street1:520 Main street Suite 401 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City:Malden Admin State/Province:Massachusetts Admin Postal Code:02148 Admin Country:US Admin Phone:+1.6405556301 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email:Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source Tech ID:GODA-112035041 Tech Name:Joseph Lee Tech Organization:rochvilleuniversity.org Tech Street1:520 Main street Suite 401 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City:Malden Tech State/Province:Massachusetts Tech Postal Code:02148 Tech Country:US Tech Phone:+1.640-555-6301 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email:Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source Name Server:B.NS.INTERLAND.NET Name Server:C.NS.INTERLAND.NET Name Server:A.NS.INTERLAND.NET

Answer by SteveS
Submitted on 8/20/2006
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I have done some investigating on this "Diploma" subject and I am very skeptical about the degree offered from Rochville Unversity. I currently have an AAS in computer science and I am Microsoft Certified, have taught at a college and a high school along with being a technology director. I now face a delima of needing to get a BS and a MS to continue my career. I have close to 15 years experience in technology, I have designed wireless network systems that have been in working for 5 years. I like the idea of getting credit for my hard work and time invested, but at the same time I don't want a non-accredited degree that will only destroy my career. As for GaryT you obviously do not live in the US and I would suspect that you are not an American. I too am considered an expert in my field and have the competent knowledge of the technology. I feel that I am entitled to have my "life experiences" being given credit. However, the US Colleges and Universities require before any diploma be given out that the School offering the Degree/Diploma follow specific guidelines the meet all other educational criteria. in short, you damn well be acredited if you say you are acredited. I am still undecided about Rochelle but if anyone wants further info to think about this, just go to this link provided. www.answers.com/topic/rochville-university

Answer by Sarah
Submitted on 8/30/2006
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T. Smith wrote: "You are [a, I presume] bitter old bag. Get off your ass and go back to school.... salary will be commiserate with you[r, I imagine] educational level....Take your life experience and your technical grade salary and be satisfied. You and your attitude are part of the problem. You sound like an angry and bitter person." I'm extremely surprised that no-one commented on this insulting and offensive post. I have an MA and a Ph.D., and yet don't have the holier-than-thou attitude that is evident in this post. While the person who claimed to have been taken on at $15,000 'more' and then claimed to have gone to Australia in a post a few days later is obviously talking through his hat, Mr. P. Smith, RN, BSN, MS, should watch it when he snaps at people to "Take your life experience and your technical grade salary and be satisfied." Oh, please - I have met people with BA'swho know far more than I do, and I have a real, worked-for-it Ph. D. with highest honours. Same for the MA and the BA. Ironically, P. Smith, it is you who "sound like an angry and bitter person", but if the people you're addressing are angry and bitter, can you blame them, if people routinely lord it over them? The fault is with silly degree-oriented employers. At least those of us with degrees should show a little more sense. Oh, and Mr. Degree, did you really mean "[your]salary will be commiserate with you educational level"? Indeed, I do commiserate with you upon what your years of so-called "legitimate" education have not taught you - namely, that it's "commensurate." And have a little sympathy. You might need it some day.

Answer by Mike
Submitted on 9/21/2006
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ROCHVILLE IS BOGUS. I made a huge mistake in trying to get the easy way out. You cannot buy a degree. You can't buy knowledge. I can't believe i fell for something like that. I purchased the degree when I was 18 and regret it ever since. I am now 22 years old and I have to say that going to a university has made me a very educated individual. With my experience and knowledge of the fundamental business concepts I can truly say that I deserve a BSc in Administration. Unless you have 22 years in management or anyother field it would be hard to say you have the knowledge capacity of a college grad. Even if you have 22 years behind your belt you still lack information that can only be retrieved from the teachings of Doctors. DONT BUY ANY DEGREES FROM ROCHVILLE. Take your time and learn patiently and you will be surprised of what you can gain.

Answer by JulieM.
Submitted on 11/12/2006
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I have a BS (Math Education) form an university that I attended for 5 years and after much hard work obtained the degree. I am currently working on a Master degree in Education from NOVA University. NOVA offers an online program. The online programs you never get to see the teacher and they never get to see you; you buy the book, complete the homework and send it through e-mail the same for the midterm and final. At the end you receive a grade depending on your homework and test score. Basically you are studying on your own, no one knows if it is you the one completing the test or doing the HW. You can also purchase along with your books the answer manual for all the HW problems. I believe that the only difference between the degree of Rochville and NOVA University is that Rochville Masters� degree will probably cost me $3,000 and NOVA University $35,000. As for my experience I have been a teacher for 10 years working with students that range form regular education to ESE (special student education) to EH (emotionally handicap) and age range from 5 years old to 18 years old. I have also worked in High School setting as well as elementary and in inner-city schools. Will I consider Rochville Master�s and Doctoral degree, Yes definitely. Would I advice it for a Bachelors probably No, you do need to have a good foundation and I believe the bachelors will provide you with it (depending on what your field is.) Anyways, I did some research of my own and no matter if you are going to become a teacher, a nurse or a psychologist you need to be licensed by the state you are at. You need to sit for the test that means you need to have good knowledge of what your degree is on.

Answer by tomg
Submitted on 11/19/2006
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wow! this is a wonderful site! ok, to business. i have been in the hazardous materials field for over 20 years. I received 2 degrees from an accredited community college in florida; as AS in environmental science and and aa degree in gen ed. I have well over 400 credit hours and have attended north Eastern Illinois University but am still 8 classes away from my BS. I ran out of time and money. So does my life experience count towards my bachelors and/or my Masters degree? Would i be able to pass a test given by any prospective employer to ascertain my knowledge and skill? the answer to both questions is yes! and will i, as stated above(oldfashioned), take double credit for work experience as employment and life experience? well duh! again the answer is yes. There have been so many jobs that ask for Ba or BS degrees that i have had to pass up because i do not have the additional 25000 dollars to get a another piece of paper. so, until i see arrests of these people like rochville and the numerous other i will see my degree as legitimate as any other. one note! i do not approve of asking for a life experience degree in something you do not have the life experience in! i do not want a doctor or pilot or any other professional doing something that requires actual working experience without actually having it. I count on the individual companies to test anyone to prove they have the skills needed for any job before acceptance. if it is a scam why have they not been shut down?

Answer by RyanC
Submitted on 12/1/2006
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Hi All! I am from South Africa, and find this debate interesting! I am a music teacher and pianist with approx 12 years experience. I don't have a degree. I do have a associate diploma in piano accomp though. I did this the traditional way. I found that after passing my exam, that I really didn't even deserve it. I needed more experience. I can say that years moving on I am worthy of that diploma, but only through EXPERIENCE. Experience is everything. Formal education teaches you tons and tons of useless academic rubbish, which you will never use again. I find this a waste of time and money. Ones ability to focus on ones real abilities and 'MAJORS' in the workplace are what count. I was doing professional accompanying for the KwaZulu Natal Playhouse in Durban South Africa. On one particular day, a pianist with an honours degree and currectly finishing his Masters arrived on set to accompany. Well, the next day they phoned me to come back in because he was hopeless. He was asked to come and observe me, the one with no degree, and no years of Complex Music History and advanced theory and counterpoint etc. I am thinking of getting my degree from Rochville (who thus far have responsed to my queries). I contacted the the student counsellor from Rochville about the validity of the degrees (espeacilly concerning these Diploma-Mills issues). Although they oblviously base the information the applicant gives them on faith and trust, there is no certain way to prove that the experience is genuine or not. However,he did say that if the information supplied is ever found to be inaccurate or false (such as 6 year olds appling, or peoples dogs and cats) the degree or diploma would be invalid and discredited by the univeristy. You will notice that the UCOEA stipluates that in order to be accredited, they have to be registered in that country/state. Therefore I would presume that Rockville is registed in the USA. Failing which, it would be discredited. Rockville also offer formal distance learning degrees as well. (You know, the HARD WAY!). So there must be some depth to what they do. There web sites states over 200 employees are employed! The evaluation commitee consists of 10 people. I know that my experience and abilities outway many musicians who do hold degrees. I don't have the time or money to go the formal route at this stage, as much as I would have liked to. I feel much as GaryT does on the matter. You have to be honest with yourself, and judge yourself against those with degrees. If you can do the job equally as well, or better, then why not? At the end of the day the person with the degree 20 years on will have forgotten most of what he learnt, and only be using that which is applicable to the job. At the end of the day the person with no degree, but only experience, with be doing the exact same thing - that which is applicable to his job. Same difference. I have seen it time and time again. We go to university to get a kickstart into life, get big bucks fast. Experience degrees are just the other way round. I wouldn't advise anyone to apply for an experience degree unless they have been in a certain field more then 10 years. Thats my view on it for now!

Answer by nag
Submitted on 12/25/2006
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hi this is a superb place to share your comments. let me tell u my dear friends something abt me. iwas doing engineering in computer science iwas in 3rd year of engineering then suddenly my dad's bussiness went down. up to such extent we lost our home rather villa! and lost everything my dad is very old he is in almost 70. my mom she is very sick she is suffering from many diseases. iwas forced to discontinue my engineering ihad no options.ilove my parents a lot.iwant to keep them happy,they always feel very bad coz of my education.now i'mworking in some cyber centre.iteach many computer courses like c,c++,unix java and much more. we were one of the richiest family but now ugh ok forget it..but ican'tsee my dad's eye droplets they're very much worried about my future. i'mnowhere inferior to any engineer because i'vealmost completed my software engineering. but idon't've a certificate,coz of that i'mnot eligable to any software company.when isaw abt Rochville iwas so happy itold my parents and i'vepromised them i'llcontinue my masters in computer science.But seeing all these comments i'mworried please help me please guide me iwant to bring back the happiness of my parents coz they're my god and thanks a lot for the oppurtunity given to me,with regards bye

Answer by M.
Submitted on 1/11/2007
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I just want to say that I am currently working on my nursing degree and working toward a masters in theology. I must admit that on first and second glance this "degree based on experience" sounded very tempting for me. I have much experience and official certification in the field of theology and have even corrected (from scripture) theologians/professors and Dr.'s of theology from errors of doctrine. But as I'vebeen praying and researching this, I don't think I would feel any bit of accomplishment by getting my B.A. or M.B.A from Rochville, since God has been pulling me through my current education despite the obstacles i face. Honestly, if i were to get a degree from Rochville or any other institute like it, I would have to keep convincing/deceiving myself to believe that I deserve it, and would be nervous of getting "caught" for the rest of my life, no matter how successful I get. As for people who decide to get their degree this way, I don't look down on you at ALL, but i pray that in this decision your being true to yourself and your future profession, by going this route. If you do decide to go this route, I understand that these type of universities don't do much of a thorough review of their applicant's "claimed experience" so I know you could easily fool them, but PLEASE, despite how you get the degree, study up on your field and be open to learning more, regardless of what piece of paper(degree) you get and from where. P.S. If any one is interested in FREE BIBLE studies or anything like that, then please visit my website at www.OneTrueGospel.com for the furtherance of the beautiful gospel of Jesus Christ. Thanks, -Miguel

Answer by THE ENQUIRER
Submitted on 1/17/2007
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IF YOU EARNED YOUR DEGREE KEEP IT! WEATHER IT IS FROM ROCHVILLE OR NOT. HOWEVER, IF YOU CHEATED THE SYSTEM BY LYING ABOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS, IT WILL CATCH UP WITH YOU WHEN YOU TRY TO APPLY IT IN LIFE. AFTER CONTACTING THIS UNIVERSITY REGARDING MY CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR ONLINE COURSES THAT I ACTUALLY TOOK ON LINE, I WAS CONTACTED IMMEDIATELY BY A REPRSENTATIVE, WITHIN 30 MINS. I TOLD HIM OF ALL THE RESPONSES POSTED ON VARIOUS SITES ON THE INTERNET AND HE WAS ALSO CONCERNED. THE ONLINE COURSE THAT I TOOK COST APPROXIMATELY 12,000. THE SAME PRICE THAT IT COST ON SOME OTHER SO CALLED NATIONALLY ACCREDITED UNIVERSITIES. SOME OF THE UNIVERSITIES THAT ARE PRIVATE CANNOT HOLD THE US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION ACCREDITATION, HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL ALLOWED TO TEACH HIGHER EDUCATION AND GIVE DEGREES. I RECEIVED MY DEGREE AFTER 2 HARD YEARS OF ONLINE STUDIES AND AM ABLE TO APPLY WHAT I LEARNED TO MY PRESENT CAREER THAT I HAD BEFORE THE STUDIES. MY ROCHVILLE UNIVERSITY DEGREE IS HANGING ON MY WALL AND I AM PROUD OF IT. WHAT WE MUST UNDERSTAND IS THAT A DEGREE MAY BE PURCHASED BUT KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS MUST BE LEARNED.

Answer by THE ENQUIRER
Submitted on 1/17/2007
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IF YOU EARNED YOUR DEGREE KEEP IT! WEATHER IT IS FROM ROCHVILLE OR NOT. HOWEVER, IF YOU CHEATED THE SYSTEM BY LYING ABOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS, IT WILL CATCH UP WITH YOU WHEN YOU TRY TO APPLY IT IN LIFE. AFTER CONTACTING THIS UNIVERSITY REGARDING MY CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR ONLINE COURSES THAT I ACTUALLY TOOK ON LINE, I WAS CONTACTED IMMEDIATELY BY A REPRSENTATIVE, WITHIN 30 MINS. I TOLD HIM OF ALL THE RESPONSES POSTED ON VARIOUS SITES ON THE INTERNET AND HE WAS ALSO CONCERNED. THE ONLINE COURSE THAT I TOOK COST APPROXIMATELY 12,000. THE SAME PRICE THAT IT COST ON SOME OTHER SO CALLED NATIONALLY ACCREDITED UNIVERSITIES. SOME OF THE UNIVERSITIES THAT ARE PRIVATE CANNOT HOLD THE US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION ACCREDITATION, HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL ALLOWED TO TEACH HIGHER EDUCATION AND GIVE DEGREES. I RECEIVED MY DEGREE AFTER 2 HARD YEARS OF ONLINE STUDIES AND AM ABLE TO APPLY WHAT I LEARNED TO MY PRESENT CAREER THAT I HAD BEFORE THE STUDIES. MY ROCHVILLE UNIVERSITY DEGREE IS HANGING ON MY WALL AND I AM PROUD OF IT. WHAT WE MUST UNDERSTAND IS THAT A DEGREE MAY BE PURCHASED BUT KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS MUST BE LEARNED.

Answer by Need a break
Submitted on 1/29/2007
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I have read all the postings and just want to put in my two cents. I just paid for my degree from Rochville and, I hope I haven't just wasted my money. I've been going to a traditional college and am 20 credits away from my BA in Accounting. I've been working in the Accounting field for 20 years. However, without a degree, I have no hope of moving up or getting a raise. I can't afford to keep going to school to finish my degree without more money. Yes, I'm cutting corners but, I'm also trying to give myself a "leg up" in the corporate world. It makes me sick to train these young college graduates to do their job. They are paid more, and know about a 1/4 of what I do. I've heard Rochville may be a degree mill but there are so many University's offering life experience degrees that I can't help but think I'm not alone in my situation.

Answer by Debeisus
Submitted on 2/13/2007
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Alright, we all see that there is a need for people to be accredited for all thier hard work in their respective fields. I agree. Although, lets face it- no college is going to give up precious money to "give" ANYONE a degree! I have been robbed from two colleges by transfering after being active duty military and returning from Iraq. Is this fair? I have to repeat a full semester just because they don't "recognize" those credits! Why? After 8 years of serving my country, being promoted countless times, and retiring as a First SGT. I am very ready to persue my own dreams. While in service I was trained on ALL aspects of environmental science. My job was to access the area, treat, retreat, reacess, and diagnose further review, treatment, and or any other service needed. This covered any area that contained Air and Water. My jurisdiction in the States was all navigable waters and airways. So, tell me, after having 8 years of OJT (on the job training) and overseeing 50+ people for 5 of those years doesn't qualify me for a degree... come show me something I CANT do!

Answer by jumping-in
Submitted on 4/2/2007
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There is a 3rd point of view in this whole thing about Rochville University. I know of a person that holds a degree fro there as the field this person works in has never had a degree before in history or in any country. After saying that I must also tell you that this person I know does lectures at Major Universities, Seminars and Clinics for Law Enforcement and Advises for the US Military. Now this friend of mine has a 30 year very well know back ground in the subject of his degree however the Universities, Military & Law Enforcement departments he now works for would not hire him with out this degree. Hows that for a twist? The only place he could get a degree in the field he specializes in is a place that does "Life Experience Degrees". I would have to say in this very rare case Rochville University filled a required evil. Now just a side note there are over 5 mil Americans that pay for and take classes in the field I have been talking about and no company, college, university, tech school, etc offers and sort of accredited degree or certification. Just something to think about.

Answer by ROFL
Submitted on 4/21/2007
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You're all a bunch of backwoods pot smokin hillbillies! Get a REAL education from a REAL state accredited University or College and THEN you might have something in your life worth talking about to those who credit your inability to fathom real life results. If you pay a couple hundred buck for a f#$ckin degree... then you deserve a job that pay a couple hundred bucks. If you can't afford a real degree... get off your lazy ass and get a job, save for it. The only thing holding you back from going back to a REAL school is your lazy ass self! Real life experiences... did real life experience teach you how to spell? Well in real life you get an "F" Failure! ...and that's exactly what you're Rochville degree portrays and represents. A school for failures!

Answer by Brooklyn
Submitted on 7/16/2007
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I am a poor uneducated person I live in a third world country I earn $100US weekly. Some if not all systems created by man are corrupt or have flaws. People defend thier own personal intrest first using any means possible. People will always be envious and haters after the fact. if the time was correct they would have made a different choice. Stop sqaubaling about your personal ego being brused let people make thier own choices. I wish I could by a degree, but I am supposed to be a slave (Volunteraly)HAHA. In most 3rd world countries mister $150k or better we could worship you as a god come and visit us. And you should be sad you definitly don�t make enough money you so poor it is disgusting. see ya

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Question by stewh
Submitted on 2/13/2004
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Has anyone had any experience or knowledge of Rochville University, the Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) & Universal Council for Online Education Accreditation (UCOEA)?

Answer by stewh
Submitted on 2/19/2004
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http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=1649990

Answer by Amarnath
Submitted on 3/11/2004
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Another Degree mill from BOUA and UCOEA owners

Answer by Rob
Submitted on 4/16/2004
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This is more of a question than an answer: If a person has a degree from Rochville, and CAN do the job that he or she has applied to, why does that make that person less than a person who has a more notable degree say from Duke University? Just playing devil's advocate not agreeing with either side.

Answer by Sheltie
Submitted on 5/7/2004
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To Jaded-dot-edu I agree with you on the fact that if your employer checks to see the google results on Rochville, they will realize that it is not a reputable college. It would just be money wasted for most of us, and I wouldn't want to take the chance of trying to get a job with a bogus degree. I just feel that real colleges should give you some credit for work experience. But anyway, I have made the plunge, and will probably be paying back the student loan until I retire. I start at University of Phoenix at the end of this month. It will take me almost 2 years and thousands of dollars, but at least, I will know that my diploma is real.

Answer by Dave
Submitted on 4/19/2004
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As someone who has only a few college credits but more knowledge and common sense than most people in the area I live.....I would say give the job to the ROCHVILLE GRAD!

Answer by kid66
Submitted on 4/21/2004
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umm...paying for a bogus degree is stupid...

Answer by Ben
Submitted on 4/21/2004
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GrayT is an employee of the parent company of Rochville University. He/she is promoting the business of Rochville University. beware of rochville!

Answer by GaryT
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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Its sound like this debate is heating up. I refer to one of my earlier post regarding the Uni in France. they have a formula that I would agree with 100%. they say for every year of uni you would need 4 years of experience, if you base your life experience on this then you will be holding true to your self. If Rochville is not to your liking then try out some of the others I listed

Answer by jeangrey2000
Submitted on 5/25/2004
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the whole point is that this is ILLEGAL!!! In some states a person could be arrested for this type of fraud.

Answer by Lodie
Submitted on 5/28/2004
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okay jeangrey2000, then in the states that it is illegal (ie., Oregon)....don't do it. It was my understanding that it is not illegal to purchase only illegal to use or misrepresent yourself in certain states or government employment.

Answer by melons
Submitted on 6/11/2004
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It is true they are a "diploma mill" I just finished researching them.

Answer by ANGELO
Submitted on 6/11/2004
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As to Online Bogus degrees offered , I would like to express my thoughts. I've been taking care of a disabled wife some time now, with 3 kids growing and the responsibility of providing their future. First, I 've been in the warehouse field as a clerk, foreman, middle management but never had time to finish continuing education due to finance, and with no time to permit.. QUESTION. Do you think I should have a BA degree based on over 12 years experience with verify business employment references while thinking about it. I BELIEVE I TRULY DESERVE THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR ME.. LOVE ANY COMMENTS I'LL BE WATCHING FOR SOME ANSWERS OR ADVICE.

Answer by Rocky3
Submitted on 6/14/2004
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I have a BA from Rochville University But on must job application in Illinois they want a complete mailing address of the school. Does any one know what the mailing address is in the USA for Rochville University? I have contacted the School by way of email and have not been able to obtain a mailing address. Rochville University also offers a bachelor�s degree in nursing. Can I sit for the nurses exam to become a RN with a BA from Rochville University?

Answer by Gary T
Submitted on 6/20/2004
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Here's a thing, I have heard that Rochville is a "diploma Mill", Well if you look several pages in google after typing in rochville in the search you start to find people that work there????????. All seem to be a prof or MD and what not???? Umm does this mean that a diploma mill is employing professional, qualified people to operate a xerox machine??????. May be there is a bad element???, maybe people have lied to obtain a diploma?? maybe the moon is made of cheese?? Like I said before; there are hundreds of unis out there that offer a similar service. If Rochville is not to your liking look elsewhere.

Answer by silvie
Submitted on 6/25/2004
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I've paid for a degree at rochville, havn'tgot anything yet!!!!!!

Answer by A777
Submitted on 7/5/2004
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Oops, my website is ultrasoundportraits.co.nr Human error!

Answer by Mondo
Submitted on 7/5/2004
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I have seventeen years in aviation, with countless exams passed, and a wealth of experience. Now, a 20 year old who has a degree, has a lot less experience than me, who doesn't hold a degree. Thats why I turned my life experience into a degree at Rochville. They are great, and I'm proud to be a graduate with them.

Answer by deb
Submitted on 7/7/2004
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hey, Can I sit for the state boards for assoc. in nursing with this degree? By the way, I do have the "life experience".

Answer by TimD
Submitted on 7/8/2004
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I'm in the same boat as most, 20+ years in Law enforcement, 2 police acad., numerous schools along the way thousands of hours, yet NO degree, "FACT" no time, don't have the money. My family comes first. I work for the FEDS, they're not sure what college to except. Most traditional colleges will only except 45% of my education....they to want your money, maybe Rochville is the way to go?, I'm not sure......

Answer by Gary T
Submitted on 7/11/2004
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What a good idea!. I will try these exams as suggested and this site posted for results. On education versus experience. You obviously have none. I am sure any body will tell you education gives you a basis from were to start EXPERIENCE gives you the humility to know your limitations.

Answer by Gary T
Submitted on 7/12/2004
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To twomastersthehardway, please look at your own grammar before commenting on others! This statement that experience is not equal to education just goes to prove that you do not have a clue about the real world. Ask any employer what they would prefer, 9 out of 10 will state 'experience'. To the dude earning $150,000pa ROCK ON DUDE. Heres hoping you can make more. Please don't resent us little people trying to make a few more bucks.

Answer by Lamont
Submitted on 7/17/2004
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To: twomastersthehardway, I know many people with advanced degrees and some that write technical articles for magazines. We all could use a course in grammar. If someone is given a test and have not used the skills they are being tested on obviously they will not pass. They need to study and properly prepare first and then they will pass. I pass advanced test on technology I work with all the time. Attending a University has nothing to do with it. I think having a good foundation is important so, if you learn something in college that you will never use in the real world that's OK. Some knowledge just plant seeds of creativity. I agree with Gary T.

Answer by fish breath
Submitted on 7/21/2004
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Rochville responded, via email and stated that the organization is located at Sarasota, Florida. However, they did not provide me with a specific address.

Answer by bigwillie
Submitted on 8/7/2004
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Guess what I did some real investigating for all of you. They are a diploma mill and they are not in the United States. I ordered my "package" and they gave me a tracking number for DHL and it is coming from Dubai, United Arab Emirites. Thats in the middle east folks. So be very wary were you put your money.Some of the bigger name unis do offer credit for life experience like itt tech.

Answer by MGP
Submitted on 8/25/2004
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Just came across Rochville Univ.'s webpage, and luckily found this page also with all this feedback. Anything new to post? Would be interested in reading any information for or against Rochville Univ or any other type of distance education or life experience university.

Answer by S.
Submitted on 9/3/2004
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I've got an idea. Why don't all the Rochville doctors, engineers and nurses live together in one place and use each other's services. It may hurt their feelings to know this, but no one really trusts their ability to do the job and no one knowingly honors their degree (try telling your employers and customers that it was granted on experience). So if they really believe they're as good as anyone else, why don't they form an alumni association and take advantage of all the high quality services they have to offer each other?

Answer by Lillian
Submitted on 9/4/2004
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GaryT What is the address in Sarasota you said you would be giving?

Answer by dolphinette
Submitted on 9/7/2004
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To GaryT, I quote you: "First to Kade; I have asked Rochville for an address, and they gave me thier admin offices in Sarasota Florida, Which I visited and confirmed a group of offices with 20 + employees. This is the address I will give in the future." WHAT is the address you visited that you said you would give?

Answer by Brim
Submitted on 9/17/2004
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Also, They told me in a second e-mail that they were based in Maryland.

Answer by Nursing Director
Submitted on 10/25/2004
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Rochville University claims to have a nursing program. However, it is not approved by any nursing board, therefore "graduates" are not eligible to take the licensing exam, and cannot become nurses.

Answer by john
Submitted on 10/29/2004
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Well, gang, I graduate in December 2004 I stated I wrote and let everyone know how Rochville University help me reinvent myself. Now, the time has come full circle to celebrate life and prospersity. Presently, I have a proposal I want to undertake and complete for homeless people. If anyone come to read the passages left by others who have venture forth and took control of their lives. Get hicked to the conga line and dance yourself towards your dreams...do not ley your dream become deferred.

Answer by Scared
Submitted on 11/9/2004
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Thanks folks. Now I know why I'm afraid of the hospital.

Answer by Jay B
Submitted on 11/12/2004
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well i think that, people who have life experience must be acredited for what they know, but not trough a false university this does not prove nothing, but if this is legal and it can be holded trough the years .......why not?

Answer by Rck
Submitted on 11/15/2004
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Sorry to say but Rochville supplied me with the degrees I needed they were accepted after valuation of course and I feel great about it all