Top Document: MH Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) with Answers Previous Document: 02.04 What do I need to do to use POP? Next Document: 02.06 Why does "mailgroup mail" only affect inc but not slocal? See reader questions & answers on this topic! - Help others by sharing your knowledge Date: 27 Jul 1999 11:33:39 -0600 Run exmh on the laptop, and modify your .mh_profile to inc using APOP. This is how I run MH-E and it works fine. (I did have to modify MH-E a wee bit to allow it to prompt for the password. You would likely have to do something similar with exmh.) As a spare time project I'm adding enough IMAP support to MH (6.8.3) to allow you to 'inc -imap [-imapfolder foo]'. If I ever get this done I'll stick the diffs up somewhere. (It's not a big priority as I can get at my IMAP INBOX using APOP.) From: Tim Showalter <tjs at andrew.cmu.edu>, John Prevost <visigoth at cs.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:34:56 -0400 We are developing fmh and intend to support as much of MH as is feasible. However, MH and IMAP don't necessarily agree as to what things are going to look like. MH has static message numbers until you pack a folder; IMAP keeps two numbers on a message, one which is absolutely static and one which is relative to the top of a mailbox. Messages in IMAP are essentially immutable. IMAP doesn't (currently) allow message annotations. fmh will keep state with a background daemon instead of writing it to disk, and will probably try and keep as little on disk as possible. fmh doesn't understand MH folders at the moment, and probably won't for a really long time, if ever. As I said before, we're mostly interested in the IMAP aspects as we're using a networked file system and saving stuff on the local disk just isn't an option. fmh is not MH at a very fundamental level. It is very unlikely that it will be merged, as we're not quite as interested in creating something that is MH and IMAP as we are in writing a good IMAP client. Also, the MH code isn't going to take the introduction of IMAP without a near complete rewrite. It is not available yet. Inquiries are welcome at <tjs+fmh at andrew.cmu.edu>. From: Rahul Dhesi <dhesi at rahul.net> Date: 23 Sep 1996 08:39:52 GMT What prevents people from doing a telnet to their mail server, logging in, and firing up MH directly? Site policy? An operating system that does not let MH compile or run? Overloaded machine with insufficient processing power for MH? All these are site-specific problems and the solution lies in solving them locally, not in forcing MH to go over IMAP. IMAP was never designed to emulate a filesytem. MH was designed to make direct advantage of the filesytem structure. There is no compatibility between the two. By the time IMAP is revised enough to support MH you will have reinvented NFS. There *is* scope for redesign here, though. It would be nice to have a single-user filesystem. Create a binary telnet session to the filesystem server, log in as yourself, and then over that session run a filesystem protocol. Normal filesystem protections at the other end will be sufficient for all permissions checking, so the filesystem protocol would need to do no other permissions checking. The question of whom to export directories to would go away: They are exported to whoever completes a successful login, and accessible to the user if he would be able to access them on the server as his login id. You could even use challenge-response for the initial login, coupled with ssh-based encryption, so you automatically have a secure filesystem without even trying. IMAP is too restricted in its scope to be easily modifiable to emulate such a filesystem. It would have to be a redesign from scratch. From: John Romine <jromine at ics.uci.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:45:27 -0700 No. MH only supports retrieving mail using POP3. POP3 is on the "standards track"--it is now an elective Internet Draft Standard (see RFC 1939 for more details). At this point, IMAP[23] are "experimental, limited use" protocols; it is unlikely that MH will support them. From: Bill Wohler <wohler at newt.com> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:45:32 -0700 Since John posted the message above, IMAP has progressed from an "experiemental, limited use" protocol. While IMAP is not universal, many vendors now have implementations. I've found several things which might help. First, a definition lifted from the Pine FAQ: What is IMAP? IMAP stands for "Internet Message Access Protocol". An IMAP client program on any platform at any location on the Internet can access email folders on an IMAP server. While the messages appear to be local, they reside on the server until the client explicitly moves or deletes them. The IMAP protocol is a superset of POP, containing all POP commands plus more. For a comparison of IMAP and POP, see the paper Comparing Two Approaches to Remote Mailbox Access: IMAP vs. POP (in ftp.cac.washington.edu:/mail/imap.vs.pop). IMAP is what allows Pine (or any other IMAP client) to get to email on a central campus email server. There are current IETF working groups revising IMAP and readying it to become an Internet standard. A copy of the latest IMAP draft may be obtained from: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/latest-imap-draft For a list of IMAP clients, see the file imap.software, in the same directory. From: David L Miller <dlm at cac.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 00:00:00 -0800 ipop3d from the UW IMAP toolkit can operate in a couple modes. As a straight POP3 server, it uses the same C-client library as imapd, so it co-exists comfortably with imapd. It can also operate as a POP-to-IMAP gateway so that your POP-only clients can access IMAP services. ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z 1.0M From: Mark Crispin <MRC at Panda.COM> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 00:00:00 -0800 The only answer I can give for [how MH users can use IMAP] is that Pine can read mailboxes in MH format; and that someone might in the future develop a version of MH that can use IMAP. User Contributions:Comment about this article, ask questions, or add new information about this topic:Top Document: MH Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) with Answers Previous Document: 02.04 What do I need to do to use POP? Next Document: 02.06 Why does "mailgroup mail" only affect inc but not slocal? Single Page [ Usenet FAQs | Web FAQs | Documents | RFC Index ] Send corrections/additions to the FAQ Maintainer: Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com>
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