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From: Horns
Subject: Defn
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From: Horns
Subject: Index
Horns
Defn
Index
Ed
Banish
OVERVIEW
01. Glossary
02. Groups
03. Books
DATA
04. Definitions
05. Rants
06. Frequently Abusive Quotations
Tail
Banish
Ack
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From: Horns
Subject: Ed
The file got too big and I ended up pulling the rogue section.
From: Horns
Subject: Banish
Before you shoot yourself in the censor with your newsreader,
read the Statement of Intent in the Main file!
Edit your quotes!
Some people do not have a decent newsreader ...
Some people may even have to download every post!
Banishment from the group Will Be Accomplished by laughter.
Any appearance of organization is result of sorcerous attacks
by the Lords of Order.
"The common defect of all mystical systems ...
is that there has been no place for Laughter."
-- Aleister Crowley
"Could there be anything worse, and *less* chaotic, then those who
contribute nothing to magick, and everything to politics, semantics,
and useless definitions?" -- Tzimon Yliaster
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OVERVIEW
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From: Overview
Subject: Glossary
01. Glossary
AC Aleister Crowley (1875-1947)
AOS Austin Osman Spare (1886-1956)
AX Autonomitrix. A Guild of Chaos.
COTAO Covenant of the Ancient Ones
CI Chaos International. A zine put out by IOT members.
CM Ceremonial Magic
CoS Church of Satan
GD Golden Dawn
HGA Holy Guardian Angel
IOT Illuminates of Thanateros. The Pact.
LK Liber Kaos: The Psychonomicon by Peter Carroll.
LN&P Liber Null & Psychonaut by Peter Carroll.
OTO Ordo Templi Orientis
SOI Statement of Intent
ToS Temple of Set
TOPY Temple of Psychic Youth
TOTEA Tribe of The Eight Arrows
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From: Overview
Subject: Groups
02. Groups
Here are some places that you might be more welcome.
talk.religion.newage
alt.soulmates
alt.out-of-body
alt.pagan
alt.gothic
alt.vampyres
alt.horror.werewolves
alt.folklore.ghost-stories
alt.evil
alt.mythology
alt.folklore
alt.astrology
alt.meditation
alt.divination
alt.tarot
alt.satanism
alt.magick
alt.illuminati
alt.discordia
alt.slack
alt.horror.cthulhu
alt.necronomicon [spelled right]
alt.necromicon [sic]
alt.usenet.recovery
alt.mindcontrol [You WILL read this group and ENJOY it!]
alt.atheism [the argument faq is impressive]
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From: Overview
Subject: Books
03. Books
This will be short list of works a neophyte might be interested in.
There is a seperate file going into gory detail.
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DATA
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From: Data
Subject: Definition
04. Definition
This is where working definitions will be filtered.
04.01. IOT: Illuminates of Thanateros. The Pact.
04.02. AX: Autonomitrix. "A Chaotick Guild and WorkNet of chaotes"
04.03. Z: A TAZ.
04.04. TOTEA: Tribe Of The Eight Arrows
04.05. CoTAO: Covenant of the Ancient Ones
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04.01. IOT: Illuminates of Thanateros. The Pact.
Here is the first public notice of the IOT from
"The New Equinox Magazine", 1978. Marviously worded ...
"Spiritual heirs to the Zos Kia Cultus, the Illuminates of Thanateros
are drinkers of the dual ecstacies of the sex and death gnoses. The
IOT represents a fusion of Thelemic Magick, Tantra, The Sorceries of
Zos and Tao. The non-mysteries of symbolic systems have been
discarded in favour of mastery of technique. ... "
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Illuminates of Thanateros POB 17995 Irvine CA 92713
The contact address for the Americas.
Illuminates of Thanateros 7349 Via Paseo Del Sur Suite 515-205
Scottsdale AZ 85258.
The address for obtaining publications (Chaos International and
books), shirts, videos, tapes, CD's, etc. IOT mail relating
to the Americas will be forwarded to the Irvine address above.
The IOT have neither a site nor a net contact ...
Illuminates of Thanateros
c/o Weiser POB 612 York Beach ME 03910 207/363-4393.
A last resort ...
dougg@netcom.com (dagon productions) writes:
>To contact Weisser means that your letter is sent to Weisser,
>then sent to Pete Carroll, then sent to the US Sectionhead.
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From: dougg@netcom.com (dagon productions)
Newsgroups: alt.magick.chaos,alt.magick,alt.magick.order
Subject: IOT FYI
It appears that there is a proliferation of anonymous posters
passing themselves off as the IOT. Interesting since the IOT has
never made any public announcments on any of the Magical Usenet groups.
The Pact of the IOT has no set policy and no lines ared drawn
concerning other organizations. The IOT continues to move forward,
choosing not to involve itself in the mundane affairs and inane
postings that make up the majority of the posts to these Usenet groups.
Douglas Grant for the IOT USA.
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04.02. AX: Autonomitrix. "A Chaotick Guild and WorkNet of chaotes"
From the Nascent Manifesto of 930111
The name AutonomatriX is derived from the words autonomy and matrix
to represent a self-directed and self-governing repository of
information. The emblem of the Auto-nomatriX is a circular blade
with eight teeth providing a background to the glyph of Eris
turned on its side.
The AutonomatriX is a networking chaos magic guild of those striving
to discover and rejuvenate magical ideas and technical skills with
success as the only key to validation. We do not discriminate on
the basis of lifestyle, gender, affiliation, race, or sexuality.
We seek to interact with creative magicians who are pushing boundaries
instead of being trapped by them. We are a guild composed of working
craftspeople, whereas an order/lodge/clique is generally an exclusive
membership of supplicants.
The time of centralized info-banks is at an end; the nature of
"classified" or "secret" information is that it is more often limiting
than useful to the collector, and only profitable to the banker of such
media. Hierarchical structures are unnecessary and undesired; checks
and balances regarding membership are determined by an individual's
interaction with the rest of the group rather than personal prejudices
or acceptance for any member by any other member. The principles "sink
or swim" and "(inter)action equals life" are applicable to this magical
guild, as in any network.
Information is distributed throughout the entire active membership of
the network in the issuance of the Contacts Listing and Index of the
Corpus Fecundi by the AX curators.
AX/Zetetic Alliance Project Attn: Nisus
6230 Wilshire Blvd. Suite #30 Los Angeles CA 90048
seera@netcom.com
AX/Temple Anaki Attn: Darakan.180
422-B 38th Street Oakland CA 94609
darakan@aol.com or max@atticus.com
AX/Anon Faction Attn: RoikaXul
POB 16035 Seattle WA 98116
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04.03. Z.
The Z(cluster) is a group of chaos magicians who have temporarily
aggregated for the purpose of cracking the universal consensual
belief structure and thus bringing about the end of the world.
Originating in a cluster of New Orleans sorcerers who are artists,
musicians and writers, mostly gay, with a strong contingent from
the leather community, the Z(cluster) is an attempt to configure
a new form of organization, one that is non-hierarchichal,
non-dogmatic, inclusive, anarchistic, and flexible. The Z(cluster)
is open to all. Membership requires a simple declaration. There
are no dues. There are no grades. There are no leaders. There is
no received truth. Opinions of Z(cluster) members, including
these statements, are personal and non-binding and may be adopted
or discarded by members as whim or analytic thought provides.
If you do wish to contact us, the address follows:
defrat@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu or marik@aol.com
Mark Defrates 5014 South Prieur New Orleans LA 70125
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04.04. TOTEA: Tribe Of The Eight Arrows
TOTEA stands for "Tribe Of The Eight Arrows" and is the spawn of
former IOTer Steve Wilson. Their style of shamanistic Chaos is
detailed in his book _Chaos Ritual_ (and a fine book it is too!)
available from Neptune Press (ISBN 0-9505001-9-4).
TOTEA BM Grasshopper London WC1N 3XX UK
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04.05. CoTAO: Covenant of the Ancient Ones
Currently no valid address.
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From: Data
Subject: Rants
05. Rants
05.01. Chaos Magick
05.02. Chaos Order
05.05. Thelemite
05.06. Satanist
05.07. Setian
05.08. Greetings
05.09. Chaos Star
05.10. Kia
05.11. Ouranian Barbaric
05.12. Colour of MagicK
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05.01. Chaos Magick?
"The Lords of Chaos are
the enemies of Logic,
the jugglers of Truth,
the molders of Beauty"
-- Hanafax from _The Knight of the Swords_ by Michael Moorcock
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"...if you want a one-line definition with which most Chaoists
would probably not disagree, then I offer the following.
Chaoists usually accept the meta-belief that belief is a tool
for achieving effects; it is not an end in itself."
-- Peter Carroll
January, 1992
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In Chaos Magic, beliefs are not seen as ends in themselves, but as
tools for creating desired effects. To fully realize this is to
face a terrible freedom in which Nothing is True and Everything is
Permitted, which is to say that everything is possible, there are
no certainties, and the consequences can be ghastly. Laughter
seems to be the only defence against the realisation that one does
not even have a real self.
So welcome to the Kali Yuga of the Pandaemonaeon wherein nothing is
true and everything is permissable. For in these post-absolutist
days it is better to build upon the shifting sands than the rock
which will confound you on the day it shatters. Philosophers have
become no more than the keepers of useful sarcasms, for the secret
is out that there is no secret of the universe. All is Chaos and
evolution is going nowhere in particular. It is pure chance which
rules the universe and thus, and only thus, is life good. We are
born accidentally into a random world where only seeming causes
lead to apparent effects, and very little is predetermined,
thank Chaos.
Reject then the obscenities of contrived uniformity, order and
purpose. Turn and face the tidal wave of Chaos from which
philosophers have been fleeing in terror for millennia. Leap in
and come out surfing its crest, sporting amidst the limitless
weirdness and mystery in all things, for those who reject false
certainties. Thank Chaos we shall never exhaust it.
Create, destroy, enjoy, IO CHAOS!
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From: duo@teleport.com (Gratuitous Pseudonym)
>Chaos magick (I have not a CLUE what this is)
That's a good start. Chaos magicians are an unruly lot, literally.
They are basically magickal anarchists and admirers of no rules other
than their own, arrived at by their own personal experiences. Many
of them (but by no means all) have been heavily influenced by the
Discordian Society and the writings of Malaclypse the Younger,
worshippers of Discordia, or Eris, Goddess of Strife and Confusion.
Very few generalizations hold for this kind of magick.
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From: pali151@netcom.com (Tzimon Yliaster)
It begins with knowing how near and how far Whatever is. Then you
concentrate on the placement of objects. Take neither nourishment,
nor stimulant nor any drug. Use pain, when it comes, as a sharp
wedge into the lower half.
Dance. Climb a mountain. Strip off your clothes (read civilization)
and break something cherished that owns you as you own it.
Avoid recruiters, and shoo away those who want to "teach you magick".
To paraphrase Austin Spare, all any teacher can do is show you your
own magnificence.
Examine your obsessions. What are they, really? Fuel. Burn them
up and move on. Don't let anything restrict you, least of all
"groups" (the shortest path to nowhere). Every group implies
hierarchy, whatever their press kits may say, and any structure is a
lessening of the degree of freedom. Chaos is the greatest degree of
freedom there can be, as it encompasses all potential and possibility.
Turn your will against your fears and your insecurities. Bury
yourself. Hang upside-down and sing "Hallelujah" in public. People
will think you mad, but what's one more madman, and isn't madness
often little more than the folly of genius?
You *are* involved! Everything is involved, and it's really a
question of what the nature of your involvement will be.
Welcome;
I hope we haven't kept you waiting too long :=}
Try everything. Be ye manic!!! We are all our own set of variables,
and for each of us there are at least slightly different ways by
which we can shortcut cause-and-effect. The only secrets are the
ones that have to do with the ways that work for *you*, even if
others say you're wrong. All that matters is effectiveness, and
the only way to find these keys is to *do*. It takes time, and it
takes effort, and maybe even a little bit of your own substance;
think of it as an investment, if nothing more. It will, without
question, pay off.
But you have to start *now*... because a part of the set of variables
is time, and its a very limiting factor.
Lean way back, hold your breath, and count backwards from 418.
It's begun :=}
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From: "Joseph Max.555" <max@atticus.com>
Chaos Magick is currently the cutting edge of modern Ceremonial
Magick. It largely grew out of the work of Austin Osman Spare, though
it has been fractalized into many forms over the last 10 or so years.
Chaos Magick emphasizes a personal, experimental approach to magickal
practice, de-emphasizes "traditional" approaches (ie. GD, OTO, et al)
especially as regards "secret knowledge", male/female dichotomies and
order hierarchy; what can be learned from Masters or Gurus is far less
important or effective than what a dedicated researcher can discover
for hirself. As such, shamanism is incorporated more directly than
such historical approaches as Kaballa, though most Chaotes are quite
adept at examining traditional systems, incorporating what works and
discarding that which holds no personal appeal.
Chaos Magicians look at Magick as being a _living_ art rather than an
_antique_ one. They regard the various belief structures of magick as
being the _means_ rather than the _end_, and the most adept can alter
their belief-state as easily as they change clothes. Chaos Magick
recognizes no particular system of theology as having any more
"reality" than any other, and most Chaotes (like Jung) approach dieties
as being no more than archtypical constructs of the subconscious mind.
Therefore they are far less concerned with having any (in their eyes)
arbitrary moral system pounded into their skulls before getting to
actually put magickal techniques into practical use than "Old Aeon"
systems like the GD's or Abra-Melin.
Chaos Magick propounds no particular dogma or moral system, beyond
it's most common identifier:
"Nothing is True, and Everything is Permitted."
I have yet to meet, however, any adept Chaos Magician who doesn't
have a strong sense of personal ethics and subscribe to it feverently.
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From: locklin@phyast.pitt.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
"Chaos Theory" is generally concerned with making more complex
physical predictions, sometimes based on a "chaos/order" measurement.
"Chaos Magick" may or may not be concerned with utelizing paradigms of
"chaos theory" to exert change in accordance with ones telos
(in my case it would certainly be the former)...
"Chaos Magick" may also be the latest attempt to appeal to the
testosterone junkie set of the magickal community via their
lust of destruction, much as other LHP groups
(Satanists & sinister Pagans) do in other ways.
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from Benjamin Rowe
I have received several complaints about my published rituals
recently. Some complain that they are too elaborate, others that they
are too simple, and some question whether they really qualify as
magickal rituals in the traditional sense. There is some justice in
all these, and they should be addressed with respect to the work
presented here.
The complaints of over-elaborateness stem from the fact that it is
impossible to perform any significant part of the works in a single
session. This is perfectly correct, and is done deliberately. My
experience has been that the rewards given to the magician by the
"angels" of the Enochian system are very precisely gauged to the
amount of care and effort the magician puts into the work. Works that
are planned, rehearsed, and carried out over a period of weeks or
months are much more likely to produce significant initiations than
any number of single-session efforts. The present work was designed
to be performed in stages, with the expectation that each stage will
be performed until the powers invoked achieve a self-sustaining
presence in the magicianAs temple before he passes on to the next
stage. It can be expected that the rewards will be commensurate with
the effort involved.
Complaints of excessive simplicity derive from lack of the pompous
verbiage typically found in formal rituals, and the dearth of advice
concerning symbols, implements, and materiel that would help to fire
the imagination of the magician. There is a decidedly bare-bones feel
to the descriptions. This is perhaps an expression of my own character
as a magician; I find that complex pomp and ceremony put me off rather
than enhancing the work. I have complete faith that every magicianAs
imagination and intuition will provide him with enhancements
appropriate to his or her own character and style, and so see no need
to provide more than the minimum schema necessary to accomplish the
work successfully.
[from _COMSELHA: A spiritual excercise for Enochian magicians]
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05.02. Chaos Order?
From z@cluster.net
Any appearance of organization is result of sorcerous attacks
by the Lords of Order.
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From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Beware of equating things based on the occurence of the same label.
We are talking about three things here:
1. Chaos science: the characterization of nonlinear phenomena to
facilitate a limited mathematical predictability.
2. Chaos: disorder. The absence or diminished presence of order
where a higher degree of order is expected.
3. Chaos: the elemental force of creation and destruction, as
opposed to order, the sustaining and suppressing force.
3 is the original definition, from the greek. 2 is a common
misinterpretation, and 1 is a name chosen by mathematicians
on the grounds that it sounds cool.
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From: pali151@netcom.com (Tzimon Yliaster)
Subject: Re: Stalking 101
Tyagi Mordred Nagasiva (Tyagi@cup.portal.com) wrote:
: The way that I define 'chaos', it does *not* include organization.
: There is no perceivable order inherent to anything that is 'chaotic'.
: Therefore, 'chaotic organization' is, with this definition,
: meaningless, and oxy-moron.
: Tzi, I'd like to know what 'chaos' means to you that it might contain
: any hint of organization at any time. Thanks.
: Tyagi
Order is a subset of Chaos, temporarily existent at times, and drawing
its existence from our perception. A group of individuals may work
together in a coherent way to accomplish a chaotick act, and when the
act is finished, move on. As long as they have done so of their own
whim and will, then they haven't acted in any way that is counter to
chaos. This only comes when permanence is forced upon them.
Chaos, at a human level, means doing what one chooses, rather than
following a set of rules. If this includes a desire to form some
sort of group to achieve some aim, then so be it. To *restrict*
oneself from doing so because of someone else's rules, opinions,
or perceptions would be far more orderly than to do it.
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From: ReaperD@aol.com (The Grin Reaper)
>If Carrol emphasizes the use of 'chaos' as a source of power,
>instead of the more positive 'kia',
>that means he deliberatly chooses the abyss
>... should I say it ... going into de-evolution ...
This is only true if you accept two of things as true.
1] Disorder=Distruction
2] Chaos=Disorder
As a Discordian, I feel that these assumptions are more correct.
1] Disorder= BOTH creative and destructive
2] Order= BOTH creative and destructive
3] Chaos= Both Order and Disorder in a formless state.
For more information consult your pinial gland.
<URL:http://www.willamette.edu/webdev/principia/>
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From: afgm@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fra Semper Non Sequitur)
An added elaboration is to draw a distinction between Chaos and
disorder. To me, Chaos is a level above the artificial distinctions
of either order/disorder. Hence, to say Chaos (in the higher sense)
contains order is meaningless, but equally to say Chaos contains
disorder is meaningless (both being eqully illusory).
However, in a less lofty sense, I say again that Chaos contains order
and disorder, organization ( eg the human body / colony of ants),
disorganization ( muddy water), and plenty of it.
She aint your average everyday type Goddess.
The upshot :
1) With Chaos as above,the fount of all, terms such as
(dis)organization are quite meaningless. Take neither term.
2) With Chaos as below,the 'natural' world, terms such as
(dis)organization are uesfull only in pairs. Take both of them.
3) With whatever Chaos, to dismiss organization and have only
disorder, is a bizarre worshipping of a single side of a polarity,
eg Christianity. Take both or neither.
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From: cipher@pentagon.io.com (Rev. Dr. J. B. Bell)
Some people have been debating whether all Chaos magick must of
necessity be anarchic.
I think the answer is, clearly not. I personally think of Order as a
subset of Chaos. Complete *dis*order is merely entropy, and just as
boring and awful as total anal-retentive Order. What makes the whole
of chaos interesting is the contrast between the schmuzzle and the
foamy, intricate bubbles of Order. They form spontaneously, and
break down just as unpredictably.
The point, I think, of Chaoism, or at least *my* Chaoism, is not to
eschew order, but simply to understand its transitory nautre and use
that. I may be a Chaos magician, but I rather dig *perversely*
orderly things like Kabbalah. They're so incredibly ordered,
they're chaotic!
Another point of Chaoism (how could it be *the* point anyway?): Have
Fun. If you need some order to have fun, you should summon it--then,
when you're done, dispose of it, don't worship it because of what it
did for you.
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From: raudlee@xyplex.com
Chaos can be beautiful and good. Order can be dangerous and evil.
As any carpenter will tell you, some tools are dangerous. Dangerous
tools are safest when properly sharpened, and used by experts.
You get to be an expert by practicing your sharpening skills,
not by hacking away.......
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From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
I'd say that written rules are at their most useful when,
in fact, they *subvert* order. Look at the U.S. Constitution, the
Magna Carta, Civil Rights legislation, and so on. People are still
arguing over the Second Amendment...
Unwritten rules are used far more often to maintain order, since they
are implicit parts of a world-view, rather than explicit concepts
which can be critically examined. Examples are discrimination based
on race, sex, or academic qualifications, religious bigotry,
and so on.
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05.05. Thelemite.
"Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong, if he look but close into
the word. For there are therein Three Grades, the Hermit, and the
Lover, and the man of Earth. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole
of the Law."
Liber AL vel Legis sub figura CCXX. II.40.
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From: Tyagi@HouseOfKaos.Abyss.com
>What's a Thelemite?
The word was popularized by Aleister Crowley, whom I find quite
inspirational. It means one who lives by the Law of Thelema.
'Thelema' is a Greek word meaning 'will', and this Law was
expressed by Crowley as 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of
the Law.' He echoed a scripture which is important to some
within the Thelemic movement, called _The Book of the Law_.
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05.06. Satanist.
From: nemoiii@aol.com (NEMO III)
Two rather helpful books outside the apparent Satanic community
were written by California psychologist Lawrence LeShan entitled
*The Medium, the Mystic and the Physicist* (1974) and *Alternate
Realities* (1976). In the second book, LeShan charts out
approximately four separate but self-contained belief systems
("modes of reality")which, when completely entered, permit the
individual to perform acts considered impossible to the others.
The key, according to LeShan (as well as to Anton LaVey who
wrote the same things in 1969, five years ahead of LeShan's
publications) is to enter into a belief system in which you also
know, while there, that this and *only* this view of the world
is true and all others are false. To achieve that degree of
belief at will is the key to effective magic according to the
Church of Satan's view.
A secondary benefit to this achievement is the delightful
flexibility the Satanist can enjoy in dealing with other human
beings and their varying institutions. The single-belief system
fanatic can only fight for his views and attempt to convert
others (usually causing him to alienate just about everyone not
equally fanatical). These are the individuals who will often
quote from stirring patriotic themes to endorse martyrdom to the
cause. The Satanist can not merely assume the belief system of
the ritual and non-ritual in accord with Satanism, but can move
smoothly through the midst of Christians, Republicans,
Democrats, Independents, nationalists, agnostics, Moslems,
racists, neo-nazis, Wiccans, neo-pagans, communists, socialists,
etc. The Satanist moves like a predator through the human herd,
usually unobserved, taking his pick of the best that is offered.
A true Satanist can go to a party held by his avowed religious
enemies and have a good time, enjoy the qualities of those who
have something to offer and return home afterwards feeling no
guilt or concern.
To the Satanist charges by others of "hypocrisy" are a clear
indication of the limited mindset of the accuser. Ethics are a
guide to action for the Satanist, not a god to be mindlessly
obeyed. All this is beautifully summarized in The Book of
Satan, Part 2, Verse 12 (The Satanic Bible, page 32), "Whatever
alleged 'truth' is proven by results to be but an empty fiction,
let it be unceremoniously flung into the outer darkness, among
the dead gods, dead empires, dead philosophies, and other
useless lumber and wreckage!" The key words to that quote are
"proven by results." Results! That's the purpose of it all.
Nemo, Priest, Church of Satan
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05.07. Setian.
From: Michael.Aquino@125-430.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com (Michael Aquino)
The founders of the Temple of Set disagreed with a May 1975 decision
by LaVey to sell the Satanic Priesthood [and all other initiatory
degrees of the Church of Satan] for personal profit. Prior to that
time the Priesthood had been considered a sacred trust, attainable
by personal merit exclusively.
When LaVey announced his new policy, approximately 100 of the
250-total members of the Church resigned on principle. These
would later become the founders of the Temple of Set. It differs
not only in its continuance of strict interpretation of initiatory
standards, but also by an open atmosphere of communication and a
rejection of Judaeo/Christian iconography.
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From: Michael.Aquino@f430.n125.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Aquino)
>What is the Setian view on magickal systems, especially those of
>Carroll, Crowley, and Spare?
A general answer to your first question may take care of the others
as well ...
The Temple of Set approaches "magic" with a very broad brush; magic
is magic, be it used for whatever purpose. It involves the use of
principles which have not yet been identified or codified [or
accepted by the establishment] to be classified as "science". Since
it is imperfectly understood and applied, it yields imperfect and
unreliable results. In this it is no different than the science of
flight at the time the Wright brothers & others were trying to get
an assortment of crazy contraptions into the air, usually - but
not always - with comic opera results.
So today's magician must be prepared to achieve some success, but
also to screw up a lot. He may take some consolation in being a
pioneer, but he must also expect that non-magicians will think him
a nut. Thus it has been with all pioneers throughout history. And
of course some of them got somewhere, while others didn't.
No guarantees in this line of work.
The Temple divides magic into only two "colors" for basic purposes:
White and Black. While I could give you a variety of technical
definitions, let's keep it simple: White Magic involves
self-deception as well as the deceit of others, by being based on
mere superstition which either has nothing whatever to underpin it
or which has long since been proven a piece of nonsense. For
example: Judaeo/Christianity and all "occultisms" derived from
it, such as the Cabala.
[Pause here for shock waves to subside.]
Black Magic is magic in which there is no self-deceit whatever.
The magician knows exactly what he is doing, why he is doing it,
and what he expects to accomplish. Associates or assistants also
do what they do with open eyes. Persons, situations, or things
which are the *object* of the magical operation may be deceived,
manipulated, or otherwise changed.
In this sense a Black Magician might conduct a "White Magical"
ceremony for purposes of controlling people who believe in it.
But he would not believe in it, except as a tool, himself.
This dovetails into your question about Set & other gods. Set is not
a cartoon-god like YHVH, Krishna, et al. - but is rather a
*principle* [or *Form* in Platonic terminology] giving substance
and organization to individual self-consciousness. So while you
could theoretically pray or talk to Set, in actuality you would be
praying or talking to the thing which makes yourself yourself -
but which simultaneously enables other independent selves.
One of the founding principles of the Temple of Set in 1975 was that
"all other gods are created by men". This has never been interpreted
as a "sneer", but simply as an important realization of metaphysical
truth. It is precisely the psychecentric consciousness which enables
us to create "gods" and "daemons" to personify wishes, desires,
prerogatives beyond those to which we are limited as
inhabitants/prisoners of a mechanical, physical universe. We
approach becoming gods ourselves - the process which the Temple
summarizes as _Xeper_ - as we strengthen those aspects of ourselves
which are not dictated by the objective universe.
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05.08. Greetings
+ 93 ... Ia ... Nothing ...
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Nothing is Permited
From: dougg@netcom.com (Doug Grant)
The supposed origin of this statement is from the Hassan I Sabbah of
the Islamic heretical sect the Nizari Isma'ilis, also known as the
Hashasssins. The dictum is seen by some to be the jist of the
highest level of initiation within the Nizari Isma'ilis, wherein
the initiates would turn their backs to Mecca and make this
statement. It has also been attributed to being the last words of
Hassan I Sabbah on his deathbed.
Nothing is True - Everything is Permitted is an english
interpretation of an Arabic statement.
Other translations appear as:
Believe Nothing - Dare All
On Earth There is No Reckoning
The statement was popularized by William S. Burroughs in his many
literary works.
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From: "Joseph Max.555" <max@atticus.com>
> What do you mean by that statement, "Nothing is true ...?
There are probably as many interpretations of that particular
dictum as there are for
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
I can only offer my personal take:
"Nothing is True" can be interpreted as meaning nothing is
_absolutely_ true. "Truth" is a theoretical construct, a model
laid over reality to give it meaning. As Poincare' pointed out,
there are always an infinite number of _facts_ available. "Truth"
is derived by choosing amongst those facts and assembling them into
a meaningful model.
It's like saying that neither the metric system or the English system
of measurement is "true". As long as they are self-consistant, they
are _useful_.
To quote Poincare':
"If a phenomenon admits of a particular mechanical explanation, it
will admit of an infinity of others which will account equally well
for all the peculiarities disclosed by the experiment."
So using physics as an example, we can say that Newtonian gravitational
formulae are "true" - we still use them to calculate the trajectories
of space probes. However, when speeds approach that of light, they are
no longer "true", and we must revert to general relativity to obtain
consistant results.
As for "Everything is Permitted", it is merely the consequence of
the first postulate. If nothing is true, that there are no absolutes,
the universe is relativistic (which Einstein pretty much established)
and ultimately arbitrary (and Chaos Mathematics is making a strong
case for that), then we are given the awful freedom to create
whatever universe, whatever reality, whatever TRUTH that we care
to invest belief in - and the freedom to alter that reality as need or
desire may require by altering our beliefs by application of the will.
This, BTW, is what we Chaotes call "meta-belief" - that belief itself
is only a tool by which we create reality. It is a means, not an end;
a vehicle, not a destination.
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From: Balanone@tefnut.astaroth.sacbbx.com (Balanone)
Any attempt to translate Xeper literally will fail. Approximately,
Xeper is most often used as a verb, referring to willful self-
improvement, self-initiation, self-advancement, and similar self-
initiated and self-produced advancements in being. Add to that the
concept of self-creation (Xepera was the ancient Egyptian god known
for being self-created, did not come from any other source). Add to
that the idea of metamorphosis, like from caterpillar to butterfly,
but often discussed as being from child to adult or from man to god.
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05.09. Chaos Star?
"In the distance, he saw the banners of Law and of Chaos raised,
side by side, the one bearing the eight radiating arrows, the
other bearing the single straight arrow of Law. And over all this
hung a huge balance in perfect equilibrium. ... The balance
sometimes tips. It must be righted. And that is the power of
mortals, to adjust the balance."
-- from _The Knight of the Swords_ by Michael Moorcock.
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From: jbbell@tiguex.cs.unm.edu (Rev. J. B. Bell)
I know at least three Chaos symbols. The most well-known one in less
specialized circles than Chaos Magick is the simple eight arrows
radiating from a single center. Moorcock appears to have invented
this one, but it's possible it comes from the U.S. military.
The next popular one I know of consists of eight rays whose endpoints
define a square, with a cirle more or less bisecting the longer rays.
This is a trademarked symbol from Chaosium Games, which among other
games publishes an Elric role-playing game.
Finally we have the Star of Chaos that appears to be designed by Peter
J. Carroll. It is the familiar eight rays, but the center is obscured
by an opaque, pregnant-looking circle.
My symbological interpretation of these: the first seems to emphasize
simple dispersion or ordinary material chaos. The second is more
about breaking out of boundaries. The third stresses Chaos as the
origin of being, and the mystery at its center.
I ripped off my personal chaos symbol from Grant Morrison, writer of
excellent comics like _Kid Eternity_ and _The Invisibles_. His is
more of a black sun than a star--simply a circle, surrounded by eight
triangles. I find the black sun associations quite pleasing,
particularly when I found much mention of it in music (most recently
"Black Hole Sun") and alchemy. It is perhaps symbolically more
mystical, with a "leap of faith" or intuition, or Gnosis, between the
original mystery and the radiated points.
In the section on Yantras, in a diagram on p. 52 of
_Tools for Tantra_ by Harish Johari, which I admit is a somewhat
cheesy book, we have a couple of possibilities: one, a set of eight
equidistant lines, not arrows. The header says "Expression. Dynamic."
Then the aforementioned circle with radiating arrows. That says
"Expansion." Not a perfect match, but close enough to be interesting.
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From: v306zj7w@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Frater ABZU)
The eight sided star appears to be relatively old, - for in the book
Symbols of Prehistoric Mesopotamia by B.L.Goff, fig.45 shows one
quite plailnly, belonging to the Hassunah period (7000=+ B.C.E.).
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From: pali151@netcom.com (Sri Palindrome.151)
The Chaostar, is, in fact, the eight rays as you indicate. The
symbol is sometimes used in physics to represent the four
dimensions of matter (length, width, depth, time), and thus also
represents the extension of a point to a line, square, cube, and
tesseract ... by the formula:
point "Xiqual Udinbak"
line "Xiqual Uzarfe, D'kyeng"
square "Xiqual Kudex, Eacht"
cube "Xiqual Ashara, Dijow"
tesseract "Xiqual Thaldoma, Nobo"
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05.10. Kia?
From: pali151@netcom.com (Sri Palindrome.151)
Kia is a term coined by Austin Osman Spare as a label for the
unmanifest portion of the human psyche/spirit/etc. Thus, the Kia is
the Chaos within each of us. Being thus, it is the source of
inspiration, and the interface between the finite human mind and the
infinite. It's also, in a sense, the energy that causes us to grow,
change, and expand. Note the similarity between the words Kia and
"Ki," the Chinese word for the vital energy.
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05.11. Ouranian Barbaric?
From: pali151@netcom.com (Sri Palindrome.151)
>I don't know the origins or meanings of many of the words mentioned.
The words are in a language termed "Ouranian Barbaric," which is
generated via the Ouranos Rite. Ouranos Baphomet is taken, in
some quarters, as the "god of magick" and source of the Great Work
itself.
<URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/Sh/Shub/Tiamat/>
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05.12. Colour of Magic
Humor from Prachett's wonderful book made into tragic magic by
Pope Pete will go here when I can bear to deal with it.
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FREQUENTLY ABUSIVE QUOTATIONS
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From: Data
Subject: Frequently Abusive Quotations
06. Frequently Abusive Quotations
06.01. Where is the FAQ?
(please repost answers as needed)
You just wrote it.
There is no FAQ.
Why don't you make one?
We don't need a FAQ.
No FAQ I know of. Do we even get a mention in the various REFs?
FAQ's are like assholes ... everyone has one but most people don't
use them often enough.
There are already several FAQs but no one feels like posting them.
We had a FAQ but it is being held hostage until you post hard data.
From: Tail
Subject: Banish
THE GENERAL CURSE
O THOU wicked and disobedient spirit, because thou hast rebelled,
and hast not obeyed nor regarded my words which I have rehearsed;
they being all glorious and incomprehensible names of the true GOD,
the maker and creator of thee and of me, and of all the world;
I DO by the power of these names the which no creature is able to resist,
curse thee into the depths of the BOTTOMLESS ABYSS,
there to remain unto the DAY OF DOOM in chains,
and in fire and brimstone unquenchable.
-- some paliomage ...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH
-- Tzimon Yliaster
*giggle* *giggle* *GIGGLE*
*MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargg* *cough*
*choke* *hackgiggle*
-- Tim/Void
BBBBBRRRROOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Joseph Max.555
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAEHAHAHA GO AWAY LITTLE CHAYOAT!
-- Tyagi Mordred Nagasiva
BHHhhhWWWwwwAAAAAHHHAAAhhhaaahaha !!!
-- AShTON the UnSubtle
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TAIL
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From: Tail
Subject: Ack
The article skeleton was swiped from the news.software.nn faq.
From: pali151@netcom.com (Sri Palindrome.151)
From: ice@netcom11.netcom.com (I. Chris English)
PRINCIPIA CHAOTICA: Chaos Magic for the Pandaemeon
From: davey@world.std.com ([Fob])
From: Tyagi@HouseOfKaos.Abyss.com (Tyagi Mordred Nagasiva)
From: Shawn Clayton Knight <knightster+@CMU.EDU>
From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
From: locklin@phyast.pitt.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
Benjamin Rowe
From: afgm@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fra Semper Non Sequitur)
From: dougg@netcom.com (Doug Grant)
From: Michael.Aquino@f430.n125.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Aquino)
From: max@tatertot.com (Joseph Swails)
From: <max@atticus.com> (Joseph Max.555)
From: wednsday@mcs.com
From: blade@pentagon.io.com (Scott "Blade" Hamilton)
From: tim@midnight.demon.co.uk (Tim)
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From: bheidrick@aol.com (B Heidrick)
From: Balanone@tefnut.astaroth.sacbbx.com (Balanone)
From: cipher@pentagon.io.com (Rev. Dr. J. B. Bell)
From: v306zj7w@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Frater ABZU)
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From: duo@teleport.com (Gratuitous Pseudonym)
From: Tail
Subject: End
go away
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