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[sci.astro] ET Life (Astronomy Frequently Asked Questions) (6/9)
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	Steve Willner <swillner@cfa.harvard.edu>

One of the problems that the Drake Equation produces is that if you take
reasonable (some would say optimistic) numbers for everything up to the
average duration of technological civilizations, then you are left with
three possibilities:

1. If such civilizations last a long time, "They" should be _here_
(leading either the the Flying Saucer hypothesis---they are here and
we are seeing them, or the Zoo Hypothesis---they are here and are
hiding in obedience to the Prime Directive, which they observe with
far greater fiqdelity than Captain Kirk could ever muster). -or-

2. If such civilizations last a long time, and "They" are not "here"
then it becomes necessary to explain why each and every technological
civilization has consistently chosen not to build starships.  The
first civilization to build starships would spread across the entire
Galaxy on a timescale that is short relative to the age of the Galaxy.
Perhaps they lose interest in space flight and building starships
because they are spending all their time surfing the net. (Think about
it---the whole point of space flight is the proposition that there are
privileged spatial locations, and the whole point of the net is that
physical location is more or less irrelevant.) -or-

3. Such civilizations do not last a long time, and blow themselves up
or otherwise fall apart pretty quickly (... film at 11).

Thus the Drake Equation produces what is called the Fermi Paradox
(i.e., "Where are They?"), in that the implications of #3 and #2 are
not terribly encouraging to some folks, but the two flavors of #1 are
kinda hard to come to grips with.


An alternate version of 2 is that interstellar travel is far more
difficult than we think it is.  Right now, it doesn't seem much beyond
the boundaries of current technology to launch "generation ships," which
amount to an O'Neill colony plus propulsion and power systems.  An
alternative is robot probes with artificial intelligence; these don't
seem so difficult either.  The Milky Way galaxy is well under 10^5 light
years in diameter and over 10^9 years old, so even travel beginning
fairly recently in Galactic history and proceeding well under the speed
of light ought to have filled the Galaxy by now.  (Travel very near the
speed of light still seems very hard, but such high speed isn't
necessary to fill the Galaxy with life.)  The paradox, then, is that we
don't observe evidence of anybody besides us.

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Keith Phemister
Sep 13, 2024 @ 11:23 pm
Copied from above: If the Universe were infinitely old, infinite in extent, and filled
with stars, then every direction you looked would eventually end on
the surface of a star, and the whole sky would be as bright as the
surface of the Sun.
Why would anyone assume this? Certainly, we have directions where we look that are dark because something that does not emit light (is not a star) is between us and the light. A close example is in our own solar system. When we look at the Sun (a star) during a solar eclipse the Moon blocks the light. When we look at the inner planets of our solar system (Mercury and Venus) as they pass between us and the Sun, do we not get the same effect, i.e. in the direction of the planet we see no light from the Sun? Those planets simply look like dark spots on the Sun.
Olbers' paradox seems to assume that only stars exist in the universe, but what about the planets? Aren't there more planets than stars, thus more obstructions to light than sources of light?
What may be more interesting is why can we see certain stars seemingly continuously. Are there no planets or other obstructions between them and us? Or is the twinkle in stars just caused by the movement of obstructions across the path of light between the stars and us? I was always told the twinkle defines a star while the steady light reflected by our planets defines a planet. Is that because the planets of our solar system don't have the obstructions between Earth and them to cause a twinkle effect?
9-14-2024 KP

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