Re: mid and cid URLs

Al Gilman (asgilman@access.digex.net)
Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:38:40 -0500 (EST)

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Subject: Re: mid and cid URLs
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To follow up on what Larry Masinter said ...

> 2. A more URL-traditional syntax would be something like

but news: URLs are already in the form suggested for mid and cid.
From RFC 1738:

A news URL takes one of two forms:

news:<newsgroup-name>
news:<message-id>

A <newsgroup-name> is a period-delimited hierarchical name, such as
"comp.infosystems.www.misc". A <message-id> corresponds to the
Message-ID of section 2.1.5 of RFC 1036, without the enclosing "<"
and ">"; it takes the form <unique>@<full_domain_name>. A message
identifier may be distinguished from a news group name by the
presence of the commercial at "@" character. No additional characters
are reserved within the components of a news URL.

'news:' and 'mid:' (and 'cid:') should have the same syntax. In fact,
the only difference between a 'news:' and 'mid:' URL is that
'news:' has an implicit context of 'your netnews' while 'mid:' has the
context of 'your mail'.

Good. I can take the path-to-host in either order -- I don't really care.
But you have to understand that a MID URL is a misnomer and I am suggesting
a MID URI which is more of a URN than a URL.

To explain this better, let me suggest the following representative
"dream cites" for two of my favorite FAQs:

mid://rtfm.mit.edu/internet-services/access-via-email_814453424;
newsgroups="alt.internet.services,alt.online-service,
alt.bbs.internet,alt.answers,comp.mail.misc,comp.answers,
news.newusers.questions,news.answers ";
Location="ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet
/internet-services/access-via-email,
mailto:listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/" GET INTERNET
BY-EMAIL NETTRAIN F=MAIL "

MID: //rtfm.mit.edu/news-answers%2Fguidelines_812205939 ;
Newsgroups=" news.answers,alt.answers,comp.answers,
de.answers,humanities.answers
misc.answers,rec.answers,sci.answers,soc.answers,talk.answers";
Location="ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers
/news-answers/guidelines,
mailto:mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu/"send
usenet/news.answers/news-answers/guidelines"

Both of these are using Message-ID as the anchor for a resource
name that expands to give a search list of how to retrieve it.

This continues the pattern of mapping RFC 822 headers to URI parameters.
See my note about how mailserver: should be a straightforward
application of mailto: (which use has been assumed above).

News: is an URL because it does imply "via your local news-server"

These MIDs are not URLs because they identify one content which is the
same regardless of which/what retrieval method is applied.

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